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Originally Posted by Phredreeke
Well, I guess Satan could have placed mirrors to allow Jesus to see the opposite side of Earth.

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29th April, 2011 at 06:04:45 -

Wow! How did you find out about teh mirrors!!!
So, what is it that he was trying to prove with that quote exactly?

I'll be back to reply to the rest, I'm rather busy at the moment.


 
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Well if you read others' posts with the same zeal that you write your own you'd know.

 
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Resident-Pyromaniac: I think the "four corners of the earth" part is very clear, it does imply to say the least that the earth is flat.
Also sitting in the circle of the earth could mean many different things, not necessarily that the earth is circular. Plus, like I said, circular doesn't mean spherical, and circular=flat.

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Did it take 15 million years to form? Or was it created instantly as a 15 million year old Earth?
(If the Earth is even that old in the first place, science can't prove it based on present evidence alone,
to make that assumption would require that the conditions of the current Earth is the same as it was 15 million years ago,
and you know as well as I do that it's impossible to know for sure)



Whaaaat ?
All I can tell you is that there is scientific evidence that the earth is 15 million years old, usually that means that earth didn't pop out from nowhere already being 15 millions years old. To prove how earth was formed, scientists had to discover what processes were part of the creation and how long each one lasted. As in, we do know for a fact that earth didn't take 7 days to be created and it surely wasn't how it's described in the bible.
Why I'm even responding to that is surprising to me even.



Prolly because it isn't true, and someone like you made it up.


Right, I forgot how every article in the internet is fabricated to disprove god.


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Forgot about this part:



We don't know that, it can't be proven. Nor will it be.
Not only that but the idea of a big bang has already been proven false,
the universe is accelerating not slowing down as the big bang theory suggests.



The idea of a big bang has been proven false?..
I don't in what world you live in, but in mine the big bang is still the most likely theory to explain how everything begun. Then again, it's a theory, not all of it has been proven and there's a chance some of it might be inaccurate but we do have a firm grasp on how things started and we do know for a fact that it wasn't god or any other supernatural force.
Regardless of whether or not the universe is accelerating now or slowing down doesn't disprove the big bang theory,at all.



 
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Originally Posted by Johnny Look
I don't in what world you live in, but in mine the big bang is still the most likely theory to explain how everything begun. Then again, it's a theory, not all of it has been proven and there's a chance some of it might be inaccurate but we do have a firm grasp on how things started and we do know for a fact that it wasn't god or any other supernatural force.
Regardless of whether or not the universe is accelerating now or slowing down doesn't disprove the big bang theory,at all.



Thank you for being honest.

So you admit that it's a theory, and that it's got some inaccuracies.

The big bang theory violates the 1st law of thermodynamics, and the law of conservation of angular momentum

1st law of thermodynamics states that matter cannot be created nor destroyed, so to say that everything came from nothing and stating it as a fact of science contradicts the very science that it claims to be a part of.

If the big bang "spinning dot" exploded then The law of conservation of angular momentum would have everything in the universe spinning in the same direction, but this isn't the case.

Macro Evolution (species evolves into other species) violates the 2nd law of thermodynamics.

2nd law of thermodynamics states that everything goes from a state of high concentration to a state of low concentration (or from high order to disorder), so to claim that life evolved from non-life at the beginning would require that matter became more ordered on it's own by disorderly means (i.e random chance.) And to make the theory even more convenient (so it can't be proved/disproved) they claim all of the this happened over "billions of years."

So no matter how many gorillas start walking on the hind legs that doesn't mean a thing if the origin of the species can't be explained. Fossils don't prove a thing either, all that proves is that something died.

Religion- a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe.
So I think that the evolutionary religion takes more faith than God.

If you want an alternative to God I suggest you look elsewhere. I mean really, Scientology is more believable.

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2nd May, 2011 at 17:26:27 -

I don't hold a Ph.D in physics, but I have always been under the impression that the circumstances revolving a situation as 'intense' as what would be the case during the moment prior to the big bang doesn't neccessarily abide to our normal laws of physics.

I've also always been under the impression that our theories on the laws of physics, including the laws of thermodynamics, were constructed after the big bang. So they shouldn't neccessarily have to be accurate at that moment.

I hope you people understand how I mean. My point is that calling on the laws of thermodynamics(which the person in question has already stated to not believe in an absolute way, since God would have power to override them) to disprove a situation as 'super-sized'(to speak hamburger) as the big bang is kind of misleading, since we haven't yet been able to analyse how the laws of thermodynamics act during a big bang.

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2nd May, 2011 at 18:36:21 -

Some say the laws of physics didn't actually exist before the big bang.

 
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Originally Posted by Eternal Man [EE]
I don't hold a Ph.D in physics, but I have always been under the impression that the circumstances revolving a situation as 'intense' as what would be the case during the moment prior to the big bang doesn't neccessarily abide to our normal laws of physics.

I've also always been under the impression that our theories on the laws of physics, including the laws of thermodynamics, were constructed after the big bang. So they shouldn't neccessarily have to be accurate at that moment.


Exactly, it can't be proven either way, so my point still stands.

Originally Posted by UrbanMonk
Religion- a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe.
So I think that the evolutionary religion takes more faith than God.



 
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Originally Posted by UrbanMonk

Originally Posted by Eternal Man [EE]
I don't hold a Ph.D in physics, but I have always been under the impression that the circumstances revolving a situation as 'intense' as what would be the case during the moment prior to the big bang doesn't neccessarily abide to our normal laws of physics.

I've also always been under the impression that our theories on the laws of physics, including the laws of thermodynamics, were constructed after the big bang. So they shouldn't neccessarily have to be accurate at that moment.


Exactly, it can't be proven either way, so my point still stands.



Well, no. You claim that the big bang theory isn't valid due to the laws of thermodynamics, I say that the laws of thermodynamics doesn't impose on the big bang theory. Stop twisting my words as you always do.
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Originally Posted by Eternal Man [EE]
Well, no. You claim that the big bang theory isn't valid due to the laws of thermodynamics, I say that the laws of thermodynamics doesn't impose on the big bang theory. Stop twisting my words as you always do.
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It isn't valid regardless.
I didn't twist anything, I just pointed out what was already there.

So please, if you really want to put your faith into this theory, prove that the law's of physics didn't exist before the big bang, or were different at some point in time.
You can't, no one can
,SO
You must admit that this takes a whole lot of faith, and is indeed a religion by definition.

So it's pretty clear. You either believe everything came from God, or you believe everything came from nothing.

Do you believe everything came from nothing EE?

 
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I know that one day, scientists will look back at the theory of evolution and laugh.
"Mrs. Robinson, you mean they actually believed Man came from a rock?"
"Yes Jimmy, they did."
You know, similar to the way we laugh at the Flat Earth theory.

Everyday, scientists are understanding things that they just tossed to evolution. Athiests accuse Christians of calling it the God-Factor when Christian scientists don't understand things. They claim that Christians don't understand it so God did it.

Well I say this. Whenever you don't understand something... Evolution did it.
"What is the Coccyx for?"
"Oh I don't know... I'll just say it's left over from evolution. Yeah that'll be believable."
fortunately, the "Evolution-Factor" is being thrown out everyday as we gain actual understanding of things like Biological systems.






 
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2nd May, 2011 at 22:45:09 -


Originally Posted by SiLVERFIRE
Originally Posted by Phredreeke
Well, I guess Satan could have placed mirrors to allow Jesus to see the opposite side of Earth.

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what's funny about this idiotic picture, is that it puts Jesus somewhere in the Pacific Ocean. lol.

 
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