Woah, I never knew guys at TDC could think farther then the next GOTW. you have proven Me Wrong, and I am ashamed.
I Believe in God- that He is three unities in one, that He created everything in seven literal days, that Adam was a historical fiure; That we have sinned, That God sent his son Jesus, Fully Man and Fully God, to die for our sin.
I believe that Jesus is coming again To take Christians with him to heaven, and of course, that if you are not saved,
Your sins send you to hell.
those are My core beliefs, and Science actually backs up those Beliefs.
Everyone's entitled to their opinions and stuff, but I just thought it'd be nice for people to know a bit about the people that the Israelites displaced before questioning God's motives:
Some examples of life in Canaan:
Any female child, once she began to menstruate, was required to sacrifice her virginity as a temple prostitute. So every little girl in the entire nation for generations had been sexually abused by law, and every man in the nation was a paedophile. Regarding their bizarre religio-sexual habits, even animals weren't safe. So if you were a cow, and you lived in Canaan, it would have been advisable to moooove (sorry!).
Another charming accent to Canaanite culture: The male firstborn of every family was to be offered as a burned sacrifice. This was generally done via a metal statue with a furnace in its stomach and counterbalanced arms. Child was placed on arms, weight would cause imbalance, statue would push child into open mouth, etc. Now it's also worth noting that metal tends to get fairly hot if you stick a furnace inside it, and it's rumoured that the screams of the babies being placed on the iron statue's arms caused great discomfort for their parents.
...Which is why they had a rule, whereby if the parents showed any emotional reaction to their child's agonised pleas, then their next child would be forfeit... and the next... and the next, until the parents could endure it unflinchingly.
We know this from the archaeologists who've studied the region, and not from the Bible's record. Even those archaeologists have often commented that they're stunned God didn't get rid of the Canaanites sooner.
It's also worth noting that He waited over 400 years for them to get better first. So at least the decision wasn't rushed, I guess.
Listen, if you can prove one thing in the Bible wrong I'll stop believing it.
Good Luck! You're going to need it.
I may be taking things out of context here but...
Weren't you the person who confirmed that part of the bible text was poetry? Are you considering that accurate?
And did that Jonah guy actually live in a big sea-borne animal (mammal, fish, or otherwise) for so long? Three days and nights seems like quite a long time to me.
And I always wondered about Job, and how the "tests" he was forced to endure seem consistent with the alleged atrocities of the Canaanites mentioned earlier in this thread. Were these actually cultural norms of the time, or the myriad "tests" put forth by the divine? Might they instead be attributed to a local ruler testing the loyalty of one of their subjects?
I also noticed that reading and interpretation of the bible appears to be incredibly subjective (owing to - or perhaps responsible for - the existence of several different schools of thought/cults/etc. within the umbrella of the christian faith). Here's a decent explanation of this, essentially attributed to "misinterpretation of biblical truth" but still convincing enough to bring forth a school of thought:
Granted, this does not indicate that anything in the bible is necessarily untrue, but it does point out that the bible can be misinterpreted. This flies in the face of other biblical scholarly work and direct quotes from the bible, stating (in so many words) that "[g]od intentionally made the bible and its teachings to be easily understood by anyone." Here's a link to more info:
There's also some information about how god is infallable, that it is a sin to lie, and yet god encourages others to lie or lies him/itself. Also, the content itself was apparently so riddled with lies and untruths that it inspired Thomas Jefferson to edit his own version of it. Here's a wikipedia link:
I think the fact that one group of Christians can proudly say that 'they' are the ones who are correct, and other groups might have their beliefs but are the ones actually going to hell.. shows some creedence to the legitimacy that not even two groups of Christians can really agree on whose actually got it right.
If Christians can't even agree with each other, how on earth can they expect anyone else to do anything but just sit back and laugh.
@ Silverfire: Not to say I support Christianity (or for that matter, any organized religion), but politicians have been doing the same thing for nearly as long, just in a different arena...Some people still lend them loads of credibility for some strange reason.
But honestly, that's a completely different discussion.
Politicians are also notorious for being liars and are given a very hard time over it by any and everyone, even their supporters. Religious leaders, if compared to politicians, should be granted the same.
"There are two things you should never talk about in public, religion and politics."
It's just unfortunate that politics is kind of necessary to talk about because it's the future of your society and civilization as you know it. Religion however, as long as it's not being allowed to conflict with anyone else's lives but your own, especially in scientific endeavorer, should not be actively spoken about unless it's asked about and further, communicated as a discussion of opinions, facts that could influence opinions, and a topic of curiosity rather then furious debate.
Cenk Uygur of TYT (The Young Turks) gives an excellent speech about this, where in which he believes that we should actually have classes in school where instead of teaching any specific religions beliefs, we should instead have a class similar to History, which teaches strictly religious history. How the bible came to be, how religion formed over the years, and how ideas came to be the way they are today. It's sad to think how few people actually know where the days of the week come from, how the months are divided up, who and where the bible was edited or changed by.
I will admit full heartedly that I am a victim of ignorance when it comes to a lot of religious history and I am astounded by how much the people on this site actually know. I'd like to think that I know a little more than most people who go to church but I for one would love to take part in a class dedicated specifically to religious development across the generations.
If instead of teaching people a specific religion, we teach people the roots of religion itself, I think people would be a lot more intelligent about how they choose their religion and a lot less arrogant toward other peoples choice of religion. Even if this leads to a greater amount of atheism, at least people would be choosing what works best for them - not everyone needs to believe in divinity to have moral fiber or a good grasp on the world. Religion should be something self-beneficial, not a tool of power.
PS: My right ear is clogged and my mind is kind of staggered right now, so I apologize in advance if this post seems kind slapped together.
And, some more explanation of Science, did you know that the compartments of a (normal) conch shell
grow larger precisely according to the fibonacci sequence? it's true; Also, in all the Scientific experiments to "jumpstart" life, Three of the most necessary Amino Acids failed to be made.
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You said science backs up your beliefs, I'm asking for which specific sources/studies back those up. (science not only requires you to provide your conclusion but just as importantly how you came to that conclusion)
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