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3rd April, 2010 at 07:49:57 -

"You are using one of my blues in your avatar, I am gonna sue you."

That is the type of silliness that I am trying to protect against. Having seen enough arguments and having done some of my own research on the subject. I have come up to a conclusion.

Should I give you credit for any singular color? No. Besides, that blue is part of the common graphics gale palette.

If I were to use your entire palette and not give you any credit whatsoever, then yes. That would be wrong of me. I have never even said that I wouldn't give credit.

What I have maintained throughout my entire argument, is that that is your palette and I should give you credit for it, you don't own those colors. The topic that I have linked, the users still didn't see that that was my point. They have since called me a troll and have locked the thread. Which I think is very rude of them.

So, for the bullet point types who like to gloss over text.

1. Does anyone own a singular color/hue/shade/group? No.
2. Does someone need to be given credit for a palette they created that is used? Absolutely. I never said that they shouldn't.
3. Am I backpedaling? No

Does that work for everybody?

 
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3rd April, 2010 at 08:45:30 -


Originally Posted by Xhunterko
Does that work for everybody?



NO, I WANT TO ARGUE GASH DARNIT!

 
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3rd April, 2010 at 12:57:26 -


Originally Posted by Xhunterko
"You are using one of my blues in your avatar, I am gonna sue you."

That is the type of silliness that I am trying to protect against. Having seen enough arguments and having done some of my own research on the subject. I have come up to a conclusion.

Should I give you credit for any singular color? No. Besides, that blue is part of the common graphics gale palette.

If I were to use your entire palette and not give you any credit whatsoever, then yes. That would be wrong of me. I have never even said that I wouldn't give credit.

What I have maintained throughout my entire argument, is that that is your palette and I should give you credit for it, you don't own those colors. The topic that I have linked, the users still didn't see that that was my point. They have since called me a troll and have locked the thread. Which I think is very rude of them.

So, for the bullet point types who like to gloss over text.

1. Does anyone own a singular color/hue/shade/group? No.
2. Does someone need to be given credit for a palette they created that is used? Absolutely. I never said that they shouldn't.
3. Am I backpedaling? No

Does that work for everybody?



About forty people on Pixelation and in this thread told you exactly that. I don't really see what your problem is, you just seem to look for trouble. Just like "So, for the bullet point types who like to gloss over text" is not likely to earn you any friends. Someone should protect you against your own silliness.

 
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3rd April, 2010 at 14:30:35 -


Originally Posted by Xhunterko
I say that no one should give any one person credit for any one set of colors used.

I don't know, but that sounds different to what you're sayIng now. Maybe I'm just thinking of it wrong?

Also, had I posted earlier like I'd wanted to, I'd have said that a specific color scheme being used by a particular artist becomes an essential, integral part of their art style, and in copying their palette you'd be copying a bit of their style. While Hayo's example of coding an engine was a bit of a false analogy, I can see how he would come up with it: imagine someone codes an engine for a hookshot in a platformer, and you want to do so to. If you code it yourself then you don't need to give them credit, but if you download their engine and use that, then you must give credit unless told otherwise. He was just using that to emulate the issue of credit given for work received, like Sketchy and his friend Bob the builder.

Also said multiple times is that if you were to magically develop the same palette independently of seeing the palette in question then you'd be fine not giving credit. However, I think that if you were to take a palette and change the RGB value of each color by 1, you'd still need to give credit, in a similar manner to giving credit if you use someone else's engine for a game and make a few changes.

And yes, the too long didn't read thing might insult some people, especially those who have gone through your posts and read them thoroughly, and it wasn't a very long post to begin with.

 
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3rd April, 2010 at 16:21:56 -

You are prolly right, but why was it a false analogy?

 
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3rd April, 2010 at 16:51:51 -

I just think it's kinda false in that there are a myriad number of ways to code the same engine but not to come with a palette. You could look at a number of project sources and see many different ways to code a similar platforming engine, but if you see a bunch of similarly colored art and look at the palettes, they likely don't differ too much.

 
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3rd April, 2010 at 19:09:03 -

"I don't really see what your problem is, you just seem to look for trouble."

My problem was, and is this. At least a few of them had maintained that they still owned those colors as part of their intellectual property. That is what my problem was.

"I say that no one should give any one person credit for any one set of colors used."
"I don't know, but that sounds different to what you're sayIng now. Maybe I'm just thinking of it wrong?"

First comment is the case of the identical blue in me and hayo's work. There are probably some identical greys in in arne's palette as well as mine.
Second comment is me apologizing for saying to not give credit for the use of an person's entire pallette. Or even a good majority of it.

"So, for the bullet point types who like to gloss over text."

That may have been rude of me. So I apologize for that.

 
All platforming problems can be mostly solved here:

http://www.clickteam.com/mbfiles2/277308-engine.zip
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/psywakd/platform.gam
www.zephni.com

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3rd April, 2010 at 19:19:55 -

I am so glad I am not your wife.

 
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I'm glad you're not anyones wife hayo.

 
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3rd April, 2010 at 20:40:38 -


Originally Posted by Xhunterko
"You are using one of my blues in your avatar, I am gonna sue you."

That is the type of silliness that I am trying to protect against. Having seen enough arguments and having done some of my own research on the subject. I have come up to a conclusion.




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4th April, 2010 at 08:57:09 -

@Xhunterko: In your opening post you said you lost the argument at pixelation, a forum for pixel artists. People that use palettes on a daily basis.

Now you created another thread here on the Daily Click, and the moment people start disagreeing with you, you lose it. Dude, it's enough already. It's over.

Maybe you should make your own palette from scratch so you'd have a better understanding of 'what the big deal is'.

 
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4th April, 2010 at 09:37:23 -

I guess the difficulty in this seems to be that palettes have less degrees of freedom. But with a certain amount of colors, I think there is enough variability for someone to claim their own, like any piece of art.

 
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4th April, 2010 at 18:48:36 -

"It's over."

Excuse me, then why bring it up?

I already stated that I was wrong, apologized, and asked if anything else needed to be said.

I may have taken comments out of context or misunderstood some points. So I apologize for that.

So, in effect, yes, a person should be given full credit for their pallette used.

I was only alarmed because I thought someone stated that a person's palette is also part of their intellectual property. Which I took to meant that they owned those colors.

I don't know what more could be said.

Unless an admin decides it appropriate to lock this thread as well.

 
All platforming problems can be mostly solved here:

http://www.clickteam.com/mbfiles2/277308-engine.zip
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/psywakd/platform.gam
www.zephni.com

These are very excellent examples by other people and are very informative.
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4th April, 2010 at 21:15:02 -

Wait, are you asking to have the thread locked or not?

 
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Yes, he is.

I'm not even sure if we do lock requests. But I do know authors of a thread can delete their thread.

 

  		
  		
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