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Originally Posted by SircatmaN
Well then wouldn't it be the daily "Klik" ?

Also "one would think" that create-games.com would be for people who... create games?



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Hahaha, yes exactly. People can't even create games properly in a Clickteam product, because they lack the skills to make something like Noitu love 2, yet they want "more power" with something like construct. Apparently this software gives you super talents over night.

 
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Originally Posted by -Adam-
Hahaha, yes exactly. People can't even create games properly in a Clickteam product, because they lack the skills to make something like Noitu love 2, yet they want "more power" with something like construct. Apparently this software gives you super talents over night.



I agree with this. It's like people who say that Gamemaker is better than MMF2 because it can do 3D, yet I haven't found any 3D Gamemaker games that are any good.

 
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I bought Gamemaker thinking it would be a much easier version of Dark Basic, but boy it was so dumbed down!

 
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22nd July, 2008 at 15:40:48 -

It doesnt give you super talents over night but it does give you ALOT of features that were missing (but should have been included) in MMF2. I mean the tech demos from Construct are very impressive and easy to do in Construct. I feel once people have had a bit more time we might start seeing some amazing hardware accelerated gamed from construct. Kind of reminds me of when Xbox came out and all the PS2 fanboys said it would never succeed because it wasnt made by Sony(Clickteam) even though it brought much more than what the PS2 had available. By the end of the last console wars I would say it was doing much better than sony.
But I wasn't here to argue about what software YOU guys use, your entitled to stay with dated software. All I wanted to know was if Construct games were allowed and if not why not. Thats been answered and it appears they are allowed to enter for gotw (Once some are finished providing they are any good).

I also wanted to know why everyone has to go on and on about leaving. No one cares.

 
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22nd July, 2008 at 15:48:41 -

The thing I've noticed about construct it, sure it's got a whole bunch of nice features, but all I ever see come out of it are effects and tech demos! Has anyone made a full-fledged game out of it? Any thing that can be compared to the great games TDC seems to pump out every week? Not from what I have seen.

 
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22nd July, 2008 at 15:50:59 -

@ SircatMan

Uh, you're still missing the point, sugarplum. I don't think software has anything to do with it. It's to do with talent of the user, and the way the software is used to it's full potential, and so far very few people are actually pushing the boundaries of MMF2, so why construct is so desperately needed I don't know.

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22nd July, 2008 at 16:25:34 -

I know that people supporting Construct have been shouting about it's power and how it's better than MMF2 .etc. But I think the main advantage for Construct is that it is completely free. Software-wise, they're almost exactly the same, except that Construct still has a few bugs that need ironing out.

Also the reason nobody has made a game in Construct is because it hasn't reached version 1.0 yet, and is still in beta. Nobody wants to go ahead and create a full game in a product that has bugs and might screw up all your hard work.

I personally think that it is great that MMF2 has gotten some competition - it means that we have more choice in what we use to create games. I agree with Adam that if the developer sucks at making games, then it doesn't matter what tool they use. But sometimes the tools can help you make better games. I'm sure people will make their own decision (if they haven't already) when Construct is no longer in beta, and no longer has any bugs/issues.

 
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22nd July, 2008 at 16:44:18 -


Originally Posted by -Adam-
@ SircatMan

Uh, you're still missing the point, sugarplum. I don't think software has anything to do with it. It's to do with talent of the user, and the way the software is used to it's full potential, and so far very few people are actually pushing the boundaries of MMF2, so why construct is so desperately needed I don't know.

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The reason there is alot of tech demos is because everyone is (like me) still learning all the new features that were missing in mmf2. Im not saying mmf2 isnt great I just felt there were alot of basic things it was missing that meant you would need to code a whole lot of crap that you dont need to in construct to get some very nice effects.
As for no games being made alot of these so called great games that get released every week have been worked on for upto and over a year or even more. Everyone is still learn construct and even though its alot like mmf2 it is also quite a bit differant and I find that atleast I myself am relearning some of the basics. I think this is why alot of people dont like the program, they think they are so great with mmf that as soon as they need to learn a few basics again its all too hard and not worth it and the program is crap.
And to be honest with you I feel that those tech demos are better than 90% of the crap released on here. The only reason I'm even interested in makign games again is because of this software I think its great. I can't wait for v1.0 to be released. At the moment I'm just getting back into the swing of things, since MMF deleted my last big project and rendered the files corrupt for the 81709827419823471089724th time years ago I got sick of it. Hopefully this program wont freak out and crash when I make a semi big project. Time will tell.
And have many people actually gone through all the tech demos on scirra? like the bump mapping one? or the RTS? or the GTA style game? Alot of the things in these that people have been trying to fake for years in mmf is so easy to do in Construct and leaves you more time to work on other things. It wouldnt suprise me if we see a full GTA 1 style game out of construct soon as the tech demo already has alot of the basics required.
Hell I've only been playing around with construct for a couple of days, I cant wait to see what it will be like after a couple of years like when I was using K&P,MMF,MMF2.
But hell I'm more than ready to jump ship as soon as Clickteam release something better (like the MMF3d we have been waiting forever for) I'm not biased I'm more than happy to go with the flow.

 
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22nd July, 2008 at 16:55:48 -

The rain tech demo was a complete load of crap IMO. It's also very easily achievable in MMF2. None of these "amazing effects" Ive seen so far have amazed me at all, but perhaps they would appeal to those who can only make MS Paint styled pong games?

I mean, let's take the rain effect, for example. To me, it just looks like a rain animation using alpha channels, following the frame around. I don't know if it is actually that or not, but seriously.. it's nothing big at all, and it's probably the most boring example somebody could have made.

"It wouldn't surprise me if we see a full GTA 1 style game out of construct soon"

Why not make a GTA styled game in a MMF styled program?



 
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22nd July, 2008 at 17:26:21 -

Sorry, but when we hit a boundary in MMF2, we don't post the game for everyone to see our failure. There are boundaries to be hit, and we usually hit them hard. It mostly ends up being the game maker's fault, but the fact that we couldn't flexibly make it work from that position and had to redo/drop the project makes MMF a very harsh tool to use. There's a way for everything, but being punished for picking the wrong way is what people bitch about most.

I don't understand why people think no one's realized MMF's 'true power'. It's a TOOL. Like a crayon. You can't really realize a crayon's full potential, maybe just get closer to it. This whole full potential is kinda a bullshit argument used against anyone arguing for construct.

 
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22nd July, 2008 at 17:34:50 -

It's all very well blaming the software, but perhaps you're not as good as you like to think you are? It's harsh but true.

"I don't understand why people think no one's realized MMF's 'true power'."

People have realized it. Noitu Love 2 and Project Rollercoaster demonstrate that, but my point is that the people like yourself don't get anywhere near that standard, or try or have the ability AT THE MOMENT, yet you complain about MMF2 being harsh. TRY HARDER.


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22nd July, 2008 at 22:29:52 -


Originally Posted by -Adam-
It's all very well blaming the software, but perhaps you're not as good as you like to think you are? It's harsh but true.

"I don't understand why people think no one's realized MMF's 'true power'."

People have realized it. Noitu Love 2 and Project Rollercoaster demonstrate that, but my point is that the people like yourself don't get anywhere near that standard, or try or have the ability AT THE MOMENT, yet you complain about MMF2 being harsh. TRY HARDER.


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Uh, did you even read Peblo's post before you posted that? You're trying to negate his comment by saying the same thing he did!

 
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22nd July, 2008 at 23:00:49 -


Originally Posted by SircatmaN
Its a shame people still have all these "Im going" topics. Do you really think anyone cares? TDC is a website not a country. You dont get a goping away party. You just stop typing the address in your browser.



Ha! This quote is great, and so true.

 
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22nd July, 2008 at 23:18:07 -

Those types of topics only add fuel to the 'community is dying' fire.

 
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