For f sakes... BURN THEM ALL!!!!!! No wait... them meaning who and who meaning when?
I didn't state the them so I guess I can go nowhere...
Anywayz, Don't ask me this topic...oh wait you didn't. But for crying out loud...
Vortex is the man or lady or w/e...probably man but anywayz for saying what I was thinking. Will it soon be legal to marry your mom? or father? GAG! But for come on....
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Registered 23/09/2002
Points 4811
20th June, 2004 at 12:11:13 -
vortex, there is more to marriage than sex - commitment, sharing, etc - it's a way for couples to show their affection. if you are taking a religious standpoint on this, you need to realize that marriage is almost completely detatched from religion now, so to still try and defend your perceived "values" of marriage using Christianity as a backup is flawed. marriage is not a "sacred right" as grazzum puts it either.
"It is a choice, they just use that as an excuse to make people feel sorry for them."
this is a stupid thing to say. gays don't chose to be gay any more than you chose to be straight. and the idea of "feeling sorry" for gays is ludicrous. why should we? they're perfectly normal.
interesting fact which i read today: in Britain, only 0.3% of couples are same-sex.
I do not want to be denied marraige with
someone I love, woman or man, as I love them.
Someone said that Gay men have the same rights:
they can marry women. That is not the argument.
They should be able to marry the person they
love.
If I was homosexual, I would want to be given
the same rights as the straight man/woman.
Morally, gay marraige is fine.
Politically, it should be the same, I think.
If we deny gay men the right to marry those
they love, we must equal it out by doing the
same for straight men, and where would that
get us?
-Above post is ancient and probably irrelevant-
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Registered 23/09/2002
Points 4811
20th June, 2004 at 17:25:26 -
marvel, you cannot infer cause and effect in cases such as these. there's no proof to say that "abnormality" (individual difference) is caused by chemicle inbalance than there is to say that chemicle imbalance is caused by abnormality.
At any rate, I cannot believe that people actually think negatively about gays an their rights. We have come so far, but it amazes me that we still don't have equal rights for everyone. Gays not only need marraige rights to sanctify their marraige, but for tax benifits. Gays are humans, blacks are human, jews are human, whites, japs, you name it, humans deserve to be treated like humans. We are all created equal, this should not even be a question.
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Back to topic. Homosexual people should have the right to marriage each other just like heterosexual. Why? I agree with others that marriage and religion is two seperate things.
Since both homosexual and heterosexual people are created equally they should have the same basic rights like marriage. Marriage is a way to express love to one another but also a question about inheritance, securing ones partner economy through eg insurance (in case of death or severe injury) as well other topics. In that sense marriage changes a lot compared to just being together.
As a result of that, marriage is not a matter of religion and marriage should be a right for everyone (man-woman, man-man or woman-woman). If a particular religion wishes to make a religious marriage between a couple is up to the religion interely. However as a matter between the individual and government the case is clear, marriage should be a funtamental right.
As to the question why you are homosexual or heterosexual the last information on the topic I have read suggested sexual preference is decided during pregnancy. Your sexual preference could supposedly be seen directly in your brain as a centain center in the brain based on size showed wether you felt attraction to women or men. If the center was "large" you were attracted to women and if it was "small" you were attracted to women. "Normally" men (heterosexual ones) would have a "large" center which ment they were attracted to women. Homosexuals however had a small center meaning they would feel attracted to men. The same principle was seen at women just the other way around.
One could argue that it is not normal to be homosexual as only a minority is homosexual. However if new research is correct being homosexual is almost like being born with a fysical or psychological error. It is a product of random errors from mother nature and not something you can control yourself. As a result sexual preference is an unwillingly given attribute. It is not something we should be sorry about simply something we should accept and treat homosexuals just like any one else.
"this is a stupid thing to say. gays don't chose to be gay any more than you chose to be straight. and the idea of "feeling sorry" for gays is ludicrous. why should we? they're perfectly normal."
AH ha! You do choose to be straight/gay. While it isn't a consious decision, it is a decision none the less. Meaning, while you don't just go and think to yourself "Hmm... I'm gonna be gay today" you do in your subconsious. I look at Homosexuality as a mental illness. Think about it. Who in their right mind would want to be gay? And I don't think we have to go around and change a whole shitload of things because some people think "Oh, gay people are cool". Sooner or later, if this all continues, gay will be normal, because with more and more people saying, it's cool, more and more people won't be thinking subconciouly about it, but consicously. So, instead of people looking for a chick, or a girl looking for a guy, we'll have people looking for either sex, and that is creapy to have eveyone doing it. What I meant before when I yelled think about the locker rooms, I mean the fact that we will have to then have personal locker rooms, because no one is going to be comfortable haveing anyone checking them out, and seeing how everyone could be bi or gay, that would make alot of people more uncomfortable. So, schools that are poor, like mine, would be forced to pay money that they don't have to do all this shit when they could have stopped it at the beginning. And this is just one of the many things that could happen. So those of you who say gays should have the same rights that we do, you are wrong. Dustin G was right when he said they already do. And I think that's far enough for them.
Anyways, think of the days back then when you used to be able to call anyone gay to insult them, but now the insult has changed to homophobe. This is all going coo coo! I mean, I like change, but this isn't the change we should be going for.
But all in all, anyway you look at it, it's a mental disorder.
"Say you're hanging from a huge cliff at the top of mt. everest and a guy comes along and says he'll save you, and proceeds to throw religious pamphlets at you while simultaniously giving a sermon." - Dustin G
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"The American Psychiatric Association removed homosexuality from its diagnostic list of mental disorders in 1973..."
gee, after 2 minutes with google i've found several credible sites that think what you're saying is bullshit. let's couple that with 30 years of cultural change and the fact that the majority of people (evidenced here -- at least) accept homosexuality as normal, and i think that's enough to expose you as a mindless bigot with dated and flawed views.
the one i like most is the APA quote, mainly becuase it exposes you as the idiot you really are. don't you think the APA are more qualified to make a decision than you? what about the BPS, they did the same thing. whatever country you live in, homosexuality is NOT classed as a mental disorder. you are wrong.
additionally, homosexuality is NOT a choice - you saying this makes me think you are either taking the piss or you are incredibly dense and even more bigotted than i first thought. i hope for the former yet suspect the latter.
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