Muslim countries didn't oppose the USSR for those reasons, they opposed them because the Communist doctrine was to ban all religions, and thus religious councils and law. Islamic countries are not per se against extreme authoritarianism, as the Taliban government in Afghanistan testified. The rigour of public control actually increased going from the USSR government to the Taliban. Opportunists like Osama bin Laden will cosy up to whoever can give him the most power, and not who has the most compatible ideals.
I also don't think anyone's advocating pure liberty regardless of consequence. That's not liberty, that's just complete anarchy. But there's a huge difference between drawing things and killing people. Who says the motivation for Draw Mohammed Day was pure insult? I thought the whole point was to prove that enough people are willing to place themselves on the side of South Park, Jyllands-Posten, Theo van Gogh et al that death threats become ridiculous. I thought the point was to say "There are enough of us free speakers that we will rise above your threats." Whether it accomplished that is debatable. Of course, some people took EDMD as an excuse to draw purile, offensive stuff without thought. Personally I was against the Day. It was just a publicity stunt, and the word "Everybody" made it sound like a threat, an attack, which is what nobody wants.
my mum said that you should respect them because otherwise they will hert you and your family. i dont want death threts
sorry if my post has offended the religion of muslim
when you look around you be very happy that you are alife and that peple love you because you dont know when their going to die and there are lots of peple less fortunite than you who are ding every day in the world and be lucky that you are quiet cleaver so you understand whats going on - James Luke, 2010
but if it was a desison between living and agreeing with them and ding and defying them, what would you choose?
when you look around you be very happy that you are alife and that peple love you because you dont know when their going to die and there are lots of peple less fortunite than you who are ding every day in the world and be lucky that you are quiet cleaver so you understand whats going on - James Luke, 2010
when you look around you be very happy that you are alife and that peple love you because you dont know when their going to die and there are lots of peple less fortunite than you who are ding every day in the world and be lucky that you are quiet cleaver so you understand whats going on - James Luke, 2010
As far as i can see it already is a decision between agreeing and living or disagreeing and being threatened with death - they've been quite clear about wanting to blow the people of our island up on numerous occasions - and had some success with the London bombings and all, but as Churchill said...
"...we shall not flag or fail. We shall go on to the end. We shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be. We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender..."
I respect whoever believes in whatever they feel like. It's part of the human nature to justify everything that cannot be explained to the action of some superior entity. It has been like this since the very beginning of Humanity, and it's still like this today. But if there is one thing that I just can't stand, is the concept of religion itself and whatever doctrines and dogmas that come with it.
What has religion ever done that could be deemed "good" ? And I mean something real, not something that could be justified with "the action of god", like it happens so many times.
Religion is society and the world's biggest cancer.
I won't even talk about all the discriminatory nonsense and the massacres and wars started in the name of religion, but the thought of an individual living his entire life imprisoned by the dogmas of whatever religion he follows is frightening to me. Now multiply this by millions and you get the picture: that's the modern world. Still so backwards in many aspects, it's ridiculous.
People give stuff away to charity and go to church so they could book their ticket to heaven and avoid hell; people believe out of fear, of what they don't understand, of what might happen after death, or of what might happen to them if they don't believe.
Religion has always been all about fear, not only for the outsiders, but specially those who believe.
Originally Posted by Marko As far as i can see it already is a decision between agreeing and living or disagreeing and being threatened with death - they've been quite clear about wanting to blow the people of our island up on numerous occasions - and had some success with the London bombings and all, but as Churchill said...
"...we shall not flag or fail. We shall go on to the end. We shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be. We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender..."
Lol, I still don't see who the enemy is. Revolution Muslim is like... 10 people? They've even said that there was no threat. And I'm sure that if there were, Comedy Central could just well, call the police or something? Unless it's not a crime to threaten people in the USA. Oh, wait, hate speech and telling people to kill other people is protected by the First Amendment.
Outside that tiny radical group, there's no real death threats, aside from the usual stuff going to and from Iran. There's nobody to really attack or defend from otherwise. The enemies are few, but they make themselves look like they're everywhere, and you end up blowing up anyone who looks similar to them.
What has religion ever done that could be deemed "good" ? And I mean something real, not something that could be justified with "the action of god", like it happens so many times.
I'm pretty sure that a mosque that grants degrees counts as one. And even a modern educational institute which uses "Because of God, for Humanity" as its motto. Even if you ignore all the middle eastern propaganda about claiming to invent the university, in Europe, modern universities evolved out of cathedral schools and monestaries.
For every person killing to go to heaven, there's another one following an academic path to get there. The whole "man was made as a Khulifa (protector/defender) of Earth" argument.
Disclaimer: Any sarcasm in my posts will not be mentioned as that would ruin the purpose. It is assumed that the reader is intelligent enough to tell the difference between what is sarcasm and what is not.
Education was not borne of religion, education was borne of wealth. And religious hierarchies tend to be VERY wealthy. The whole point of (Abrahamic) religion is to abandon reason, education, knowledge, and accept that of a book written by people hundreds of years ago. The most stupid people make the best disciples.
But religion itself is not stupid. Because there's so much scope to what you call religion. Buddhism is a religion, but it is a religion of constant learning and endeavour. Christianity is a religion, but constantly tells people to stop reasonable doubting for the sake of fierce loyalty.
In answer Johnny, religion has never created anything 'good'. But that doesn't mean its followers, individually, can't be good. I don't really believe that most people are religious due to fear, after all, we all fear. I fear what happens after death, or if my actions really have consequences, but I'm not religious. The argument doesn't follow.
He wasn't really saying that people have religion because they're fearful, he was saying people who are religious follow their religion because of the fear it has created in them.
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