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28th December, 2003 at 01:00:53 -

Time isn't magic, time isnt a separated energy. Time its just movement, wich is syncronized with space, so much that space and time merge into a single static hologram wich is the universe.
Now you ppl may be wondering, what's all this bollox? ok ok, hold on bitch, here's my point: Say hypotheticaly speaking that you have a time machine. This time machine rewinds time, bringing everything back as it was before, this would totally cause an endless loop, since this time machine turns ALL energy particles in the universe exactly as it was. That way everything will happen exactly the same way, until you enter AGAIN into the time machine and rewind time again, etc, etc.

Ok, so you already thought about that. Then ... say EVERYTHING goes back in time BUT what's inside the time machine. That seems like a fairly good solution to this dilema. So basicaly.. mathematicaly speaking, all you do is make every single particle of energy in the universe rewind its position back. In conclusion you are not going back in time, you are just moving things backwards, hence the reason I say time is just movement, that's how you define time.

If you were paying attention you may be thinking, "Time is definetively only one, and it cant be changed, then the universe is in time a static thing.." a static hologram if you will, in 3 dimentions plus 1 wich is time.


 
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28th December, 2003 at 01:44:18 -

All we need is a Dilorean and wild frizzy hair.

 
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28th December, 2003 at 03:35:52 -

'Time' is just our definition of the point of the universe that we're in, so 'travelling through time' is just our expression of going to the past or future. Conclusion: No-one really cares. We say "I'm going to walk that way", not "I'm going to walk that way relative to the current position on the Earth" because it just becomes too confusing.

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28th December, 2003 at 04:31:27 -

meanwhile dogzer is becoming a bit of a mike R, only an intelligent one

 
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28th December, 2003 at 04:51:55 -

This is absolute bullshit. I've traveled back in time before. I went with this guy:
http://www.hereticemu.com/buster/timetravel.gif

 

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28th December, 2003 at 05:00:39 -

Meh...*scratches head*

According to Einstienian relativity with regards to time dilation, it is possibly not so much to travel in time, but rather experience time differently.

Let me just set you up an example of what this concept basically says, for all of those who are not already in the know.
Essentially the theory is, that as an object gets closer to the speed of light, the time experienced in the object becomes less and less of that in the normal environment.
So lets say you have 2 people. One sitting on their arse on Earth living normally and travel at 'relativistic' speeds. And the other is in a ultra fast spaceship continiously orbiting the Earth for some stupid reason, in the interests of science perhaps. This ship is moving, oh lets say, 99.99% of the speed of light...around 300,000,000 metres per second or a billion kilometres per hour.

We'll leave them in there for like 10 years and see what happens.

Surely enough, 10 years pass...The dood who lived on Earth is 10 years older and his arse is sore from sitting on it too long, but the guy on the space ship, according to him and the watch he just happened to be wearing for all that time, says only 5 years passed, and he has not aged 10 years, he's only aged 5 years.

Really interesting concept, but it's REALLY far out. To get something to travel that fast and bare passengers is almost an impossiblity, as explained by another Eistienian concept, best summed up in the equation E=MC^2...and with regards to that concept, it would mean this craft would need almost unlimited energy to travel at such speeds, but also, it's mass would be getting closer and close to infinate as it approaches these speeds. Thus creating a large gravitational field of its own, and with regards to Newtons Law of Universal gravitation, this means it will cause all masses in the universe to be drawn towards it and BAM end of the universe.

...ok...what did that all mean anyway?


 
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28th December, 2003 at 05:02:38 -

whoa...

 
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28th December, 2003 at 05:04:45 -

sum1 mk a time travel extansion for mmf plz.

 
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28th December, 2003 at 05:26:45 -

How positively satirical Kris...

 
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28th December, 2003 at 06:29:49 -

ha ha, thats an awesome idea for an extension.

 

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28th December, 2003 at 07:24:01 -

but when using this extension dont travel too far back because if you go to a time before electricity
you wont be able to plug your pc in and get back again.

then again you could always get a laptop

 
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28th December, 2003 at 07:28:52 -

oh holy crap... I didn't think of that andy... and I was just about to. I'd thank you and tell you that you saved my life but your not even born yet.

 

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28th December, 2003 at 07:43:43 -

they actually teach that shit on the science channell...

 

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28th December, 2003 at 08:17:12 -

LOL Suuuuuuuuuurrrrrreeeeeeee I bet you would be sitting in a brothel thinking to yourself -

"Geez, I wish she'd hurry up... they're showing monkeys brainwaves on the Science Channel"

 
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28th December, 2003 at 08:19:56 -

Monkeys brain waves are rather interesting...

 

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28th December, 2003 at 10:22:52 -

you could buy a potato powered computer

 
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28th December, 2003 at 12:17:52 -

If time is just movement and it is syncronised with space, then how come the faster you move the slower time is. Im not making this up, eistein said it.
If you had a pair of twins and you sent one orbiting the earth really really fast then when they came back they would be younger than the other twin.

odd, and i dont see how it is possible. but does anyone know?

 
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28th December, 2003 at 14:22:22 -

Then explain how I ripped open a timestream to travel to this dimension of the universe.

Some of you people are obviously chronophobic.

 
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28th December, 2003 at 14:56:13 -

What happens if you roll a ball in to a machine that sends the ball back in time one second and pushes it out again?
You roll the ball in, it comes out a second earlier and hits itself rolling in, so it doesn't go in in the first place.

 
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28th December, 2003 at 14:59:25 -

but in that case it wouldn't appear through the machine because it never went in to start with... and thats a mind boggling paradox

PS, Fire, try looking here:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=%22really+fast+light%22

PPS. Shen, why were you on the "BBC grammar for children" website?

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28th December, 2003 at 15:13:22 -

duh! thats obvious. He was learning.

 
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28th December, 2003 at 16:16:47 -

Well anything that aproaches speed of light is known to transform into pure energy, so if you accelerate little by little until you reach lightspeed you would become nothing but energy particles.

 
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28th December, 2003 at 17:22:53 -

but nothing with mass can reach light speed

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28th December, 2003 at 17:52:08 -

This is an interesting topic. I personally agree the most with Einstein's theory. Though it still makes me question the fact whether time travelling is either you going faster or the rest going slower. Also I can't imagine you travling through time when you overspeed the speed of light. this would mean teleporting is timetravelling. Though it's not. And if you go faster than light, wouldn't you just infact BE teleporting, and not timetravelling?

 
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28th December, 2003 at 18:18:42 -

If you go somewhere faster than the speed of light (and you don't vapourise or whatever), you haven't time travelled, but you could look behind and see the past; you could see yourself coming.

 
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28th December, 2003 at 20:12:19 -

If you cant go faster than the speed of light, why not just make light move faster...

 
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28th December, 2003 at 21:03:37 -

i see, but how did he make it go that fast?

 
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29th December, 2003 at 01:19:50 -

but nothing with mass can reach light speed

Batman can

 
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29th December, 2003 at 02:00:58 -

I can.

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29th December, 2003 at 02:14:05 -

Ashman, dont you mean Flash can? not Batman.

 
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29th December, 2003 at 04:00:45 -

And I am sure God didn't create us for travelling through time

 
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29th December, 2003 at 04:28:57 -

He didn't intend for us to fly either...

As Mr Hooker says "If God intended for us to gly he would have bought the ticket"...

But try telling that to the Wright Brothers...

 
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29th December, 2003 at 04:32:57 -

I heard something on some channel that yes, they found that time travel is impossible, or at least with current technology-however with computers getting faster we'll soon have a processor that can process an infinite amount of data at the same time-so it could predict exactly what would happen at the time you wanted to 'travel' to and therefore create a virtual world based on that time. Not time travel, but damn close.

 
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29th December, 2003 at 05:21:40 -

They actually have made something go faster than the speed of light, interestingly enough. I read it a while ago and forget specific details, but it was something along the lines of they shined a light through this gas and the colours dispursed and the created a spectrum and the red part of the spectrum got there before normal light could possibly do so.
But that's nothing special when you think about it cause light is light, which has no mass, therefore can travel at any speed without having adverse effects...in theory.

The speed of light in regards to pretty much most relativity theories is really an iffy thing. I can't remember what theory it is, might be something to do with Eisteinian relativity again, but it basically says that light is a constant at all speeds. So this basically means the speed of light will always move 300,000,000 m/s no matter how fast the observer is going...even if your going towards it at mega fast speeds, it won't come towards you any faster.
Alot of the theories are REALLY far out.

Again with regards with the time thing. It's important to note a few thing. Speed...or velocity should I say to be more technical...is basically a distance in a certain amount of time. So you say you've moved 100m in 10 seconds, that's 10 metres per second, or 36km/h...fine easy. But then you can go back the other way and say...well displacement, is considered as going a certain speed over an amount of time...so your going 36km/h...or 10m/s...for 10 seconds, you will travel 100m...indeed...
...so what i'm saying is time is a tangible thing in this regard. It can be quantified, and in everyday non-relativistic physics, you realise one particular thing. And that is that you can't actually have a negative measurement, as least not physically. You can't say...well my car is -3 metres long and weighs -1.8ton...cause that's just not possible. Negativity is more of a mathematical thing than a physical thing...sure we have devices that give a negative reading like a voltmetre...but can you physically tell the difference between 1 volt and 100volts that easily?...sure there'd be more of a spark, but it's much easier to say "Yeah, that field would be around 10 acres" or "I'd say it's 100 metres to the pin from here Shooter"...

...do you also notice one more thing that you can quantify in this way?
Yes...that's right TIME! "How long have you been in the sun for...6 maybe 8 hours"...oh yeah...You can differentiate the differences in time between 2 points, as you can for the points between 2 goal posts...and they both be positive values...where am I going?...YOU CAN'T GO BACK IN TIME FFS!!!!


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29th December, 2003 at 06:01:06 -

Fire, no you didnt:
"the speed of light squared can be changed to something faster than it..."

"it" sounds like "the speed of light to me", not "something somewhat near the speed of light"

 
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29th December, 2003 at 06:14:02 -

...ive heard that someone have made light go fasteer thant it should by bending it :S

 
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29th December, 2003 at 10:22:18 -

Fire, i didnt say it went the speed of light, i was asking how he made t go CLOSE to the speed of light.

 
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29th December, 2003 at 10:29:22 -

I liked Rise of the robots when it first came out.

 
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29th December, 2003 at 10:52:01 -

anything faster than the speed of light would probably be invisible because light particles wouldn't travel fast enoguh to reflect off the fast object. If it isn't invisible, the image of the object would appear as an instant streaking blur. It would take a lot of energy to accelerate an object to this speed though.

 
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29th December, 2003 at 11:12:51 -

well I wouldn't say invisible, but you would get a delayed image of the object, similar to the effect of objects who travel at supersonic speed.

 
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29th December, 2003 at 17:16:15 -

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29th December, 2003 at 18:18:43 -

Isn't the speed of light variable anyway?

 
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29th December, 2003 at 19:00:03 -

i wonder if anyone has ever tried to trap light inside a box or something and squash it until it cannot move at all
i doubt it could be squashed at all though since it is almost non mass.

but there are particles that scientists believe make up around 92% of the universe that are invisible i forget the name
they could be faster than light.

 
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29th December, 2003 at 19:03:18 -

Cheese.

Or 'dark energy' or something.

 
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29th December, 2003 at 20:00:45 -

the speed of light we all know of is the speed of light on the emptyness or whatever its called in english. But on water on even air its speed variates, that's how refraction is posible

 
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30th December, 2003 at 05:04:41 -

Actually the speed of light is variable, and it's pretty darn easy to prove.
Infact, light slows down and defracts when it goes through transparent objects, such as glass, plastic, water, thus distorting it.

 
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30th December, 2003 at 06:27:16 -

dark matter i think. strange stuff

 
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30th December, 2003 at 17:19:51 -

wow... what a waste of space :3


well I didn't read the whole lot of stuff on on top so I will comment with this.


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30th December, 2003 at 21:08:58 -

We perceive time, thanks to that our brain provides us with information around our exterior. We have senses, like sight, and hearing..., and touch. Some snakes have infra-vision, they can see the heat from a short distance.
As we receive all that ammount of information at a fairly good speed, (eg. humans eyes receive light around 30 times per second) we are able to determine its CHANGE.. but, silly humans, start defining time as it was magic.

A great discovery though, is that time doesnt depend on humans, it goes alone on its own. Clocks revealed that.

If we were god, we wouldnt need a clock, we know that, because we know that we arent perfect, thanks to clocks, thanks to photography, thanks to all that we know we arent omnipotent, even as some humans are capable of believing.

Those are the basis to claim that time isnt magic, its just hard to perceive.. but we know that time is mathematicaly constant. Maybe it isnt though, maybe times changes its speed so slightly, that it SEEMS to be constant, but its not.. we cant know for sure.

 
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31st December, 2003 at 00:14:13 -

Chicken you've been watching waaay too much Warner Bros.

 
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31st December, 2003 at 02:07:18 -

i think that travelling in time is possible.
If we could travel faster than light, the time would then backwards.
Like if you Lighter that goes on faster than light,
shouldn´t it go on before you put it on?
So if we would have a machine that could go faster than light
(>2 999 999km/s), and a donut shaped tunnel (like they have in fusion plants)
We could travel a circle faster than light.
The only but in my theory is, that trveling in high
speeds, we must remember the g-forces.
If you would try to travel faster than light, it would
cause ge-force, what would be about 15 000 000g`s.
So the travelling in time is possible, but unfortunetly
if you travel in time, you will seperate in atoms.
The travelling time is also possible with blackholes,
because the gravity in blackholes is so big, that even light can´t
escape from it. That would mean that the speed in the blackhole
is greater than light. But we will crash to two problems (again)
1. The gravity: The gravity is again too big for humans to stand
even if you (we prosume that we are talking the normal type of black hole)
would go to the point wich has the lowest level of gravity (the center),
you would still seperate into atoms.
2. Nobody knows what is beyond the black hole.
or there can be theories (if i remember right, einstein wrote something about the circeling of the space)
that the black holes lead to something.
I hope that i didn´t wrote too big message

 
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31st December, 2003 at 03:20:39 -

Grauh!
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GRRROOOOOOAOAAAAAAAARRRR! GAAAAHHHHHH!

 

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(I maybe don't know these terms in english, forgive me )
That IS A PROVEN FACT that time goes slower when the speed increases. It's impossible to travel faster than light. Instad, there is another way to travel trough the time. A "wormhole". Let's move wormhole's another end e.g. 99.99% of speed of light so stays young when the other gets older and older. Then, you go in to wormhole's old end, and when you come out from young end you are in past. Of course it's possible that there isn't wormholes. But black holes perhaps can turn into wormholes if we could drop there somekind of unknown material what has "antipressure". That would remove the event horizon and allow people walk to in. Sounds little unbeliveable doesn't it? However, the sciense IS NOT PROVED that there ISN'T wormholes and unknown material... So it's possible. (until they prove that there isn't that unknown stuff and wormholes )

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31st December, 2003 at 12:37:29 -

do you mean dark material with term unknownmaterial?
i read a while ago that an italian scientist did
an experiment where he put molekyles moving faster than
light, and the molekyles started the movement before
he even started the machine
(tiede 2000 lehti joku numero missä selitettiin mustanaukon runkomalleja)
so that means that travelling trough time is against our logicks, right?
i haven´t got anything more to say (my brains are overheating)

 
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The problem with traveling back in time is that it creates a huge amount of paradoxes. For example, if you look at the story line for Chrono Trigger, it really makes no sense AT ALL. Same thing goes for the Terminator movies. Traveling forward in time is possible, and can already be done. Some people are freezing themselves, so they can be revived in the future. This IS in fact traveling into the future, and IS actually time travel. So while traveling into the future is possible, traveling into the past might not be.

 
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true mrcoffee, stop drinking coffee plz, but true.
INFINITE UNIVERSES:
Think about the posibility of infinite universes.. with all posibilities scattered on all posible universes. That's a big amount of universes.

In some movies, they travel back in time and talk to themselves as a kid.
The only posible explanation to that, is the "time traveler" traveled not to his real past, BUT to another universe, where he is physicaly in the same space as HE as a child, so if he makes any change to himself as a child, he wouldnt really suffer, since he HAS no other choice than to be in another universe, not the real past.

Sometimes I like think silly things, recalling the infinite universes thing I said.
There is 1 universe that I know for sure it doesnt exist: is an universe that recalls what I say... and if I ask to get a wish granted, that universe would grant it for me instantly here in THIS universe. Damn, it's too bad it doesnt work that way.

 
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I think cryogenic freezing brings up an excellent. Mainly because it is near the realms of possibility to do such a thing. We've all seen Futurama right?

If you think about it as not so much a long sleep, rather a long coma. Nothing happens to the soul of the person, they're body remains intact, they still live yet their brain does not function therefore they cannot dream or think or witness the world around them, thus all time is irrelevant. This essentially means this person will not feel the years past by while they are frozen, and wake up maybe feeling a bit out of it, but like not a moment has passed...providing they are revived successfully.

This is essentially time travel. And time travel is not impossible in this regards. But of course there are rules to this. It's all relative, ie only one person that is 'time travelling' will percieve it as been speed up or skipped altogether, others will not, and will live normal boring lives.
And the main point, which I bring up again...YOU CAN'T TRAVEL BACKWARDS.

Time travel should not be considered a directional thing. You can only 'move forwards' in time, by different means. But this again is not actually changing time itself, rather changing the perception of it for an observer, ie changing your perception of time.
These kinds of things actually happen in everyday. Time travel can happen to someone who becomes unconcious and awakes not knowing how long has passed or how they got to the hospital. It's all relative!

 
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What muggus has said with regard to the slowing of time at increased velocities is indeed a measurable fact. However, picture this: one object is static, the other moves at a speed approaching the speed of light. Time for the later object will therefore slow down. Now imagine a wormhole is projected between the two (not as daft an idea as it sounds) -the object that is moving continues to move so time at that end of the worm hole advances more slowly than at the other. Therefore, by going through the static end, you will come out of the other end of the wormhole before you left. That, my friends, is time travel.

 
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1st January, 2004 at 15:28:27 -

Jd you think what I said was stupid? did you read it?

 
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Damn! Now my plans are ruined!

 
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JD I know I joke 90% of the time, but I can also talk seriously a bit. Just sharing my thoughts here. There will always be ppl going at internet forum to laugh, its easy to laugh at others.. but, are above all this things I've said? why dont you comment what you think about this?

 
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hmm... well, rise of the machines and mario's time machine are both, in fact, utter crap, I have rode my bike faster than the very variable speed of light this is actually true, because some clever bugger used super freezed sodium to slow light down to about 40mph.

and so you all know we all time travel, it is in fact perhaps the easiest thing you have ever done, proven by the fact that most of you seem to have no idea that you seem to have been doing it for YOUR WHOLE LIFE

current time travel rate: a little under+1 second of time traveled for every 1 second that occurs

it is under because time is slowed in any amount of gravity, and as you all seem to know that movement slows time perhaps you should notice that the earth moves?

and the comment about the worm holes is true: if they exist and there is a way to move the ends around you can de-syncronise the ends locations in time

 
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2nd January, 2004 at 06:16:24 -

hehe true jd.. humans ever creating a time machine would end up on an infinite trime traveling to the past..

Time travellig would be so dense that the chances of people coming back to the past as today would so very big that it would be very weird that if they didn't be here already telling us about it. But then again who can know for sure you know?

maybe we are just on this universe on random luck







 
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Our world is four dimensional, the fourth dimension being time. The Big Bang kind of flung us out travelling this way in time (forwards). Perhaps it may be possible to attempt to accelerate backwards in time. But this would mean the normal universe would continue forwards and leave you behind...

 
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The Big Bang thing is still just a theory.

 
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I agree with Jimmy Brzezicki. Wormholes rulez! (Read my post above) I think that this is one of the most interesting threads in DC!!!!!!

 

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2nd January, 2004 at 17:10:54 -

just travel around the earth

 
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2nd January, 2004 at 19:27:11 -

well, they say the universe is expanding( distances between planets are becoming bigger) but at some point the universe will shrink for the reason all particles atract each other.. and that'll be the end, cuz nothing will be able to separate them once the whole universe is the size of a tennis ball.

 
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Might be a little off topic, but can I just point out how stupid Fire is?

 
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the universe wont be the size of a tennis ball it will be a single particle smaller than anything that has ever existed.

and time is just a theory and not possible to physically change with todays technology.
but we are always moving forward in time so really we are time travelling.
see?

 
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Well, you all have good opinions, but here'smine. Time is nothing but a series of interconnected planets,all in different places. Each fraction of a second is a different planet. Every peson on earth is stuck in a wormhole, linked between the planets un til the final planet, which would cause everyone to be flung into the void of space, causing an apacolypse. Death is the destruction of this wormhole, birth the creation. So technically, it is impossible to travel thorugh time. It would take great, more-than-superhuman, force to alter these wormholes by making them faster or reversed. Therefore, it is impossible to travel backwards. Also, each world is inanimate, an incapable of movement. So it wouldn't really be worth it to travel back or forward.

 
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Meh, wormholes are way to science fictional to be taken seriously in my oppinion. There's not all too much science behind them either. And most of it that is is really far out and relies alot of assumptions rather than proofs. Sure, some of the theory behind is quite understandable and seems easy enough IN THEORY...but bending and moving the fabric of time and space? WTF? I don't think so. The complexity behind even considering doing something of the sort would be so astronomical, humans could not even begin to comprehend how to solve such a problem without thousands of years and research. And imagine the consequences of doing something wrong on that scale, which is more than likely to happen cause humans arn't known for their instant perfection of technologies.

I think it's just too far out an idea to be seriously considered. Not until humans can grasp many other technologies should something be considered. Teleportation is more in the realms of posibility than wormhole theory IMO.

 
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3rd January, 2004 at 22:56:24 -

haha wtf is the point of this topic. o and ps. dont try thtrowing fancy words tring to make some sense. Time is a general idea simplified

 
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I think Time Travel Will never be discovered.
Because otherwise people would have come back and it would be recorded in history.
Theres only another Millenium max before we screw the world up so these 2000 years would not seem too insignificant to visit.
It's probably also an impossible idea because when you think about it time isnt being recorded. Its not a long line thats constantly growing longer, its a single point just like any other type of matter in the universe. And its impossible to go back because its not recording itself and you cant go forwards because the cell of matter is not yet there.

 
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4th January, 2004 at 08:38:09 -

Did you know scientists slowed down light so much it turned to a gooey semi liquid form? I think they shone it through special prisms and such.

 
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4th January, 2004 at 12:00:21 -

i know i already said it, but maybe some of you need to read it again:

"current time travel rate: a little under+1 second of time traveled for every 1 second that occurs"

as another idea, an experiment was done to prove time is passed differently for a moving object (thus creating time travel, but forewards only) an atomic clock was put on an aeroplane, another kept in its airport, the plane was flown around the world once and when it got back the two clocks were out of sync by something like 47 nanoseconds. This was not a one off because several people have re-done the experiment with the same result.

Interestingly, the difference was EXACTLY as Einsteins theory of relativity dictated it should be



 
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4th January, 2004 at 13:10:16 -

liquid? is there any pic to see?

 
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Well, according to me, the wormhole theory involves a lot of science. Which sucks for everyone, because my dumb science teacher never checks homework, so I don't do it usually.

 
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Time Travel is piss easy... I travel forward in time all the time!

 
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By Muz's First Law of Time Travel:
Time can be compressed but not reversed

In other words, you can go forward in time slower/faster than others, but you can't go back in time. Going back in time is as impossible as finding the square root of a negative number.

I doubt it's possible to stop time entirely, just a max compression ratio of about 30000:1 or so, but I gotta research that more before making my Second Law of Time Travel.

And in order to compress time, you need a LOT of energy, though you don't have to process it much. Not sure, but I think about 1 kW should take you back about 1*(10^(-13)) or so. Even then, it's likely to slow down what it touches directly. In other words, if you wear a 'time travel suit', it's the engine that compresses the time around it, dragging the suit with it, then dragging you along with anything else nearby. Kinda like a time vortex thing.

Hmm... this gives me an idea for a game.

 
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8th January, 2004 at 05:48:20 -

That is true.

If you where to travel at the speed of light (Not possible either) for about a year then when you return to Earth, Earth would of aged a good three hundred years. Even if you could go that fast - It has no use.

 
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8th January, 2004 at 05:58:52 -

Oh crap, I feel a Micheal . r comming on...

Ok here we go.

In a news paper (Wow) A bunch of scientists at some
place found E=mc^2 false. Because E=mc^2 clearly states
that the speed of light can't be changed. However, when
these scientist guys shot light through (Somthing I forgot)
it slowed.

And I agree with this on no real evidence whatsoever.
(Light coming out of a light bulb could be different anyway)

 
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Dude, shoot light through water and it slows down. That speed of light thing in the E=mc² thing is for the speed of light in a vacuum. Or rather, the speed of electromagnetic waves and all.

I saw this reactor once in an encyclopedia that showed something exceeding the speed of light underwater. Had this really cool 'light boom'. Not sure whether it's true or not.

 
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8th January, 2004 at 07:37:54 -

Reality is perception people! How we understand something is how it is. Time is ultimately a man made concept. Seconds, minutes, years and dates are all just our way of documenting out antics are humans. Say for example, time actually didn't exist. We don't move through time as we go, just the content of space changes. It may still be the same second now, as it was when the dinosaurs were pissing in front of Fred Flinstone, just things have changed and occured to make everything different. Space changes, time doesn't exist.

Just another wacky tobaccy theory!

 
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"Time Travel is piss easy... I travel forward in time all the time!"

thats what i wrote already.

 
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9th January, 2004 at 05:38:43 -

Yeah but I nailed the punchline in ways you can't even comprehend!

 
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There wouldn't necassarily be any time- paradoxes by moving backward in time.

If you would travel through time backwards, the "past" would theoreticly be the "presence" and the "future" would not exist because it isn't writen yet, wich in this case would be our "presence".
But then time travelling would be half as necassary .

 
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9th January, 2004 at 10:58:05 -

It's "present" you moron.

 
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Update:

There wouldn't necassarily be any time- paradoxes by moving backward in time.

If you would travel through time backwards, the "past" would theoreticly be the "present" and the "future" would not exist because it isn't writen yet, wich in this case would be our "present".
But then time travelling would be half as necassary .

 
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9th January, 2004 at 12:10:23 -

Theyve managed to stop light completely now do a google on "physics" which brings me to the point, is time related to light at all? As they stopped the light, so wouldnt time stop in relation to the photons if they were linked so intricately.

Gravity travels at about 95% the speed of light, but thats even weirder than light itself

+ Time dosent store memories of the past, if it did.....where are they stored, of course if we finally figure out the grand theory of everything which we can predict the movement of particles everywhere in the universe, maybe we can also invert the equations?

We will find out if we can time travel, when we actually try it Wormholes arent so farfetched either, black holes are more crazy (A single point where mass is infinite and the laws of physics collapse hmm???)

 
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travelling through time means stopping gravity, changing the way the earth moves, getting beamed from tokyo to the U.S, etc. So for and forever I think it's impossible!

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Fucking hell you guys, they explain clearly how to time travel in Donnie Darko, just try that.

 
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I think u dudes should go ask Gandalf cuz he beat the fire dragon of ice mountain. Cyaz

 
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I believe that black holes are just a hole ripped in our dimension that leads to another world. You know, like we're in a dark fish bowl (with water) and the black hole is the leak that sucks everything into the outside world. But there's probably some other spot we didn't notice that puts more water into the bowl so that our vacuum of space is equal.


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Yea, when we land on a black hole and our bodies are compressed to
a 0.0000000000000000000000000000001 th of a millimetre,
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10th January, 2004 at 15:27:37 -

you CANT travel through time ok? is just not logical - i win j00 lose

 
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10th January, 2004 at 15:31:46 -

hey.. if gandalf is able to summon one of those big griffin eagles to get down from that tall ass tower on the fellowship of the rings.. couldn't gandalf just hop on that freaking bird and travel to the destructing fire thingy by himself? instead of walking i mean

 
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I could kill everyone with my giant castle but I don't.

 
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Time travel is impossible... If I'm in a room with 9 other people and there is a time machine in the middle of that room which will transport anyone who steps into it 1 year backwards. So I step into it, by myself, the other 9 people wait for me in the room.

It cannot work... Here's why:

It is only ME going back 1 year. So everyone else in that room will still be in the exact same location, as I left them, in year 2004. However, I am going back to 2003 alone when I know that those 9 people are living in 2004. How are those people who I was just in the room with going to be here 2003 when I've just left them in 2004.

OK, that shouldn't be too hard to understand if you read it slowly and out loud. Sorry if this has been said before, I couldnt be bothered checking the other 100-ish posts.

 
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hey dogzer dont you know that gandalf is way too lazy to do that? cause if he wasnt he could just summon itt when the balrog got him with his wip duh

 
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15th January, 2004 at 19:05:30 -

Time travel IS possible and I'll tell you why,
First you need to consider the speed of like times the mass of the earth now is this greater or less than the diamater of the sun? The answer is pi. Now if we multiply the 5th number down from the decimal point by the halfed answer of the speed of time you'll see that time travel is quite possible.

 

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What a load of crap!

 
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16th January, 2004 at 02:12:16 -

I wouldn't call it crap... its called SCIENCE.

 

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Ever since the invention of the wheel science has taken a downhill slide! They should have quit while they were ahead!

 
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I think science is interesting, but I don't bealive in it.

 
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16th January, 2004 at 10:27:26 -

if you set everyone of your clocks forward 10 minutes you would always be 10 minutes late . . .

 
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16th January, 2004 at 17:43:06 -

OK, I rented Donnie Darko from work last night just for this! It better be good.

 
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Muggus

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21st January, 2004 at 08:06:21 -

I've made enough reference to ACTUAL scientific theories and laws to proove whatever I may have said. And they proved it back in the day...is that proof enough for ya?

 
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ChrisB

Crazy?

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  16/08/2002
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21st January, 2004 at 13:58:54 -

I would say that time travel is possible, were it not for the spontaneous nature of certain particles (e.g. radioactive elements). Can we change the movement of the 5th dimension? Do you know how? Without knowing how to get anywhere near the 5th dimension, it's impossible to change even if it was possible. Then you'd have the small problem of where your particular time machine would go when you go back in time... it can't be intact surely? For it to work time needs to be bent in some way so normal rules don't apply.

Oh, and here's another thing: When people run in circles it's a very very... mad world. So stop it already.

 
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RPG4Lif3



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  24/07/2003
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21st January, 2004 at 18:38:11 -

Imagine the universe....how big is it....whats at the end of the universe..

OK, IF YOU GUYS WANT TO PLAY A GAME ABOUT TIME, FATE, AND PARALEL UNVISERSE, GET A playstation, AND BUY A GAME CALLED chrono cross.............

 
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