I really like clickteam products but some of them have a horrible interface.
Klik and create is da birth of the game dev. software but it lacks alot.It doesnt have very much commands and the graphics are bad.
MMF 1.5 is good but i hate it alot(waste of my money).It's windows are probably the most horrible thing in mmf 1.5 because they build up and they make me feel really sick because they are cascade and they waste my time.Plus making objects in MMF is toooo hard because (again) the windows r cascade and i have to close windows and open them all the time and animating objects isss confusing.
The Games Factory makes me feel at home its windows are perfectly arranged so i can get around and they automaticly close so i dont have to freak out.It is also very good for little kids to use because they can get to where they want to go and making objects and backdrops is very easy and setting up movements is easy too.Making actions is easy to do with the step through and if something is wrong the person can manually fix it with a click of a button.My 9 year old sister understood the program in five minutes and made her first game in a half hour.
If u want a clickteam product i really recommend using The Games Factory.MMf costs too much and it lacks alot so does klik and create.
'Ahem' - MMF will forever rule, and the way you go on and on about the windows really does reveal to us all that you are rather, how should I say, simple..
The windows are easy to get used to, and the power of the tool dwarfs that of TGF.
Plus MMF is a Multimedia Authoring tool, where TGF is a bog standard Games package, You can create A LOT more with MMF than TGF, therefore making the price "Worth it"
HAHAHAHA not, I am apalled at your inclusion of sexual content into this charming and innocent topic, shame on you.
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21st December, 2003 at 04:35:00 -
"It's windows are probably the most horrible thing in mmf 1.5 because they build up and they make me feel really sick because they are cascade and they waste my time."
EHHHH!!!??? You can maximize the windows. plus the ability to have to frames open at once can be useful for copying etc.
i really wish everyone would stop bashing MMF's interface. it's really easy to get used to and the result, like jon says, is a brilliant authoring tool.
yeah i really hate that mmf sprite editor, and i can tell i will NEVER get used to that. I got used to the demented window system, but the sprite editor is just a nightmare. I hope the picture editor in mmf2 will be just good and simple, with a normal palette. So to me, MMF is a piece of crap, and I ll only use it for the extra power and features (paralaxing, mode7).
I'm spending the next 4 days until i get mmf (Christmas, for any dumbass who doesn't know) building sprites in TGF. I tried mmf demo, it was good except for the sprite editor. MMF with TGF sprite editor would be sweet. And, to comment on some posts:
Damien: Damn right, TGF kicks ass.
Jon: Good point, MMF is better than anythig else (I know I just said TGF rocks, but it comes second compared to mmf.)
Kamasutramaster: That's wrong. Go fuck yourself... or have your boyfriend do it.
Zim: My 11-year old cousin understood mmf in 10 minutes. In half an hour, he had made the first level of a platformer-shooter with destructable terrain, 3 different guns, and enemy A.I. And it was his first click product ever used. And if you shun mmf, you will never be a true game designer.
Pete, Paul, Tom: I totally agree about the interface.
JD: The sprite editor does really suck (I think I mentioned earlier?)
Wizard: Nice signature!
See y'all later. And if you want my game making resume, here it is:
Eggs
Milk
Booze
Condums
Corn
Other Groceries
Why did I post my shopping list? To cover my resume. Sorry if this is long and off-topic.
--Karnage
Remember, there's a little darkness in all of us... we just express it best.
--Ragnarok Games
You can customise MMF's interface to look however you want. Note TGF's interface is not customisable in any way. In fact my MMF interface looks very similar to TGF's.
Why is this even a debate? MMF is better than TGF in every way. It's not an opinion, it's a fact.
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I make other people create vaporware
Registered 29/07/2002
Points 5686
21st December, 2003 at 18:15:35 -
Exactly, how can you debate fact? MMF is better than TGF, and if you don't like the windows in MMF then you can change the system in the prefrences so you only have 1 open at a time. Or you can go screw yourself.
I can understand that MMF's interface just needs some getting used to, I'm just too lazy to do it.
I do what Fishhead does if I need stuff from MMF if not, it blows. It blows big time.
Oh btw, here's one way TGF is wwwwaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyy better than MMF. The Animation Editor. Duh! In TGF it's like, normal. In MMF I mean, you do one thing, suddenly it's all whack and somewhere else and you can't find it and you have to save EVERYTHING individually it's so whack! Whack I tell you. Totally whack y'all!
.... WHACK!
Show me the power child,
I'd like to say,
That I'm down on my knees today,
Gives me the butterflies,
Gives me away,
'Til I'm up on my feet again,
I'm feeling outshined.
*predicts a "Someone whacks Ashman" joke... telling you right now it will be lame as your mum!*
Show me the power child,
I'd like to say,
That I'm down on my knees today,
Gives me the butterflies,
Gives me away,
'Til I'm up on my feet again,
I'm feeling outshined.
I mostly use TGF for sprite importing to! cause importing from a list of images! i always render so that when i import! the hotspot is centeret automaticly in the right place! Then insert the object in MMF using external game as library! Other than that TGF can kiss my little shiny bottom!
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Show me the power child,
I'd like to say,
That I'm down on my knees today,
Gives me the butterflies,
Gives me away,
'Til I'm up on my feet again,
I'm feeling outshined.
Hmmmm.....
I just read about mmf 2 and it is supposed to have the exact interface as the games factory.I hope it does or im gonna freak out about my money.
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Assault Andy Administrator
I make other people create vaporware
Registered 29/07/2002
Points 5686
23rd December, 2003 at 04:21:29 -
Same as TGF? Aaaw crap. Btw how would a differant interface have an impact on the price?
wow, some people here are really wasted out of their minds. how can you decide what tool is better for someone else? It is a fact mmf is more powerfull, and I ll use that power, but for ME (among others) tgf is better to work with. You can't tell me to go screw myself for that.
i use both programms. tgf is easier at making graphics, but lacks amount amount of events. mmf has unlimited events (well i havent found a limit yet) but cant make graphics easily. So i use tgf for graphics, and mmf for programming
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I am Everthing,I am Nothing
I am All, I am None
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Registered 23/09/2002
Points 4811
23rd December, 2003 at 10:26:24 -
argh, just had to go on a deleting spree in this thread. all these petty inuslts, come on guys, it's christmas!
p.s. do not discuss illicit trading of CT software here.
I thought everyone forgot about C&C. It's weaker than MMF and uglier than TGF.
The MMF interface is HORRIBLE. Like Visual Basic's old interface. It's obvious. Took me two days to get used to it. Then I realised I could change it. Move windows here, resize that, change the toolbar. If you bother with it for a couple of weeks, MMF's not that ugly.
Of course, MMF's animation editor is impossible to work with, despite what Shen insists. Some people just love their precious MMF so much they go into denial. Even IF you don't work with the picture editor, you'll still have to click a whole lot in the animation editor just to past something in it. You could do the same thing in KNP/TGF with just one click.
I used to draw all my libraries in KNP (never had TGF), then import them into MMF before I realised that both used completely different palettes, then went to some trouble to import KNP's palette into MMF.
Point is... CT should go back to the good old interfaces, instead of bothering with something worse just to make it look 'professional'.
Disclaimer: Any sarcasm in my posts will not be mentioned as that would ruin the purpose. It is assumed that the reader is intelligent enough to tell the difference between what is sarcasm and what is not.
TGF is just too simplistic, un-customisable and MMF is still expanding with new extensions all the time. TGF just plain isn't as good as MMF. So there.
you are talking bull smeggy, but I can do that too
people who say tgf is crap and mmf1.5 rules only say that cuz they
were never able to do a decent game "It was because tgf is buggy, now I have mmf 1.5 so now I will create a good game!" Those people will say "It was because mmf 1.5 was buggy, now I have mmf2.0 so now I will create a great game" when mmf2.0 comes out. They will never create a cool game, and only spend a fortune on CT products, they are all pissing in the wind.
I do know what MMF is about, I have been using the mmf demo for a long time now, it was supposed to stop working after 30 days but it didn't.
I CAN afford MMF tho. There is just no reason for me to buy it, MMF is like a woman with 9 holes in it.
I use CNC. It's basically the same app as the latest version of TGF PRO. Same great interface. I have been kliking since 94, and I've tried to get into MMF several times but I just keep coming back to CNC. It's mainly because of the stupid sprite editor! You can't do more than in TGF, it's the same sprite editor, only much more stupid!
Its hard to be religious when certain people are never incinerated by bolts of lightning.
DON'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO OR I'LL TURN INTO ASHMAN!
I deleted nothing Jon, if there is a pic missing its cuz of your host.
Edit:
Look, some people still seem to be too stupid to understand, I like to work with TGF, and I made clear why, so don't tell me to like mmf better than TGF okay? I am not telling u to love TGF, I understand it when people prefer MMF, cuz of the extra power and stuff, I don't have any probs with that. I just have more fun using TGF, and I am only klikking for fun, not for fame, money, to get laid or whatever you try do it for.
and DaveC (dunno wich version), try to be a bit nicer, maybe people will like you then, and you might even get a girlfriend someday. Just a tip, nothing more.
The interface is excruciatingly rubbish, its really poor, and dont use the 10,000 objects bull, it cant handle that many so why say it/include it?
windows open everywhere, and the Application Story board thing is really rubbish, if u have tgf style it takes about 5 minutes to change something like window size, u have it mmf style and it makes level design almost impossible (at any resolution) as it just takes up too much space).
And don't come this its more professional/tgf is for amateurs smuck, if I wanted to be all professional i wouldn't be using Click software!
Trigonometry is a TINY incy bit easier in MMF, and the extra alterable values come in handy for sloppy coding.
Trouble is some of you are brand followers, for instance some certain DC admin "Jamajic is the best for amateur 3d game production".
It isn't unfortunately, it sucks, get 3d game studio or Dark basic Pro, they are miles better more power, easier to learn. Jamajic games look like quake 2/really lame quake 3 in their 3d abilities . Does it even have 3dT&L?
Plus TGF is fun, MMF is like something very boring with the added bonus of chores, Double YAY!.
Ps no offence to anyone its Christmas! Have some imaginary cheese biscuits! (plus lager of course)
On a final note Game maker 5 is better than MMF, its more professional and has more power, at least shoddy doom games can be made that run faster than 6 fps!
The interface is excruciatingly rubbish, its really poor,
guess I'll have to wait to hear why :/
and dont use the 10,000 objects bull, it cant handle that many so why say it/include it?
you're saying extra functionality is a bad thing?
windows open everywhere,
close them, maximise them, or set the only have one window open on.
and the Application Story board thing is really rubbish,
I suppose you're talking about the project explorer... you can remove it by dragging it off the window.
if u have tgf style it takes about 5 minutes to change something like window size,
um, right-click on the application, go to window properties, change it
u have it mmf style and it makes level design almost impossible (at any resolution) as it just takes up too much space).
someone has a small monitor I've used it at 1600x800 and 800x600 and can use it fine on both, you just have to get used to it. Or resize it.
Trigonometry is a TINY incy bit easier in MMF, and the extra alterable values come in handy for sloppy coding.
You don't need an extra object, and it can handle decimals. w00p
Really, most of the features people complain about can be turned off O_o
i cant help it its just me , i like some old stuff like valv amps.
Shen: The interface is really drawn out, things you use often in TGF (ie direct draw) are in preferences, and if your used to TGF it requires thinking to use it!. Jeez do i need to say anymore!
You have to click the windows close in the amination editor, and then click yes to save the animation, you have got to admit the animation editor is miles nicer in TGF.
I prefer the insert objects thing in tgf as well its just more suited to me.
you can round your trig in TGF to one pixel, which is all you need , you cant have pos 320.567893 345.23648 can you? Smash your monitor screen and you will find there is metal gauze, just behind the lovely nasty chemicals behind the glass. The gauze defines the actual size of the pixels, so whats the ponit of calculating the posions to decimal points, i agree in the meantime yes, but while calculating just times it up, ah you know this already...
And if you're used to MMF, which a lot of people (not saying you) can't be bothered to be, then it doesn't require thinking at all. Personal preference.
You have to click the windows close in the amination editor? Standard issue, right? You can turn off the 'save changes' option under Preferences, and no I don't
There's a toolbar, a menu, and a right-click list to insert objects.
The point of calculating the positions to decimal points is that otherwise TGF rounds it to the nearest number - usually -1 and 0. Therefore without attempting to add the decimals your character can only move up, right, and upandright.
Come on Fishhead turn into me, it makes something as dull as a simple post as fun as masturbation... I really do talk about whacking off alot don't I? Anyway...
Shen, do you work for Multimedia Fusion or something... you're like... it's so cool and if you have an opinion otherwise go suck rope! Well your words make me do this -
How can you fix the animation editor jackass... you're not a wizard. I'd like to see your fancy "Duuhhh just close it" tactic fix all that saving, moving hard to find, won't go away, impossible to use bullshit.
Show me the power child,
I'd like to say,
That I'm down on my knees today,
Gives me the butterflies,
Gives me away,
'Til I'm up on my feet again,
I'm feeling outshined.
Well I dont like mmf much either, the graphics editor is to hard to get around, I mean they could of easily made a change canvas box right on the screen with out you having to click around trying to find it, I dont like the stupid black lines around the pixels it shows when you are zoomed in, I dont like the fact that you cant just insert an extention, its like hey would you like to try the insert new object wizard, ad I'm like hey why not? and its like active backdrop or one of these and I'm like what? I just want to insert a damn extention and its like Do you see extenstions on the list? no you freaking dont. leave me alone i dont want to talk about this anymore. and I'm like hey asshole your gonna insert the damn extention so them I'n like close window. then I click the insert object button in the toolbar and its like What would you like? and I'm like where the fucks my extension and its like omg ha ha its not on the list silly me. then I finnally go back in to the insert object wizard and its like Hey man wanna use this wizard? and I'm like fuck no its shit you dont even let me insert the extention and its like well excuuuuse me! wtf am I not good enough for you? and I'm like No, and I click stop using wizard and its like. fucking fine, heres your damn extenstion and I'm like about time you slow ass prick. So i insert it then I'm like okay lets change the window size and its like ha ha its not just two clicks away like tgf its like 18!!! HA HA HA HA die you shithead. So I'm like no you go to hell and burn you little ass of a program and I'm like I'll give you one more chance let me pick objects from game and its like what? and I'm like you know get object from another game... and its like WTF is that? and I'm like you cant do that.....? ands like Probably! but you'll have to search for it! ha ha. so I'm like screw you assclow your going to die! and its like oooo please dont hurt me and I'm like oooo fuck you so I uninstall it, so its uninstalling and its screaming in pain AGGGGHHHHHH my leg it says as its 58% completly uninstalled agggghh my heart it says after that then its like Why? Why meeee..... and I'm laughing all during this laughing at his pain HA HA HA I was like. HA HA HA. So with MMF ot of the way it left a clear path for me to move on and marry TGF and the audience was like YEAAAHHH! WOOOOOOO YAHOOOOOOOO!. and I'm like thank you thank you. Id like to thank everyone that made this possible, My family... My fans.... Jebus... then the credits roll down and the music is all funky like Ba boom tish boom boom tish then it like goes all victory music Dun, Dun, Dun, DAAAAAA Da DAAAAA. Yeah well that was my movie idea. It got rejected...
There's about 12 people in Busters head right now and they all contributed to that!
Show me the power child,
I'd like to say,
That I'm down on my knees today,
Gives me the butterflies,
Gives me away,
'Til I'm up on my feet again,
I'm feeling outshined.
Gradients keep me warm on those long, cold nights outside the Star Trek convention waiting for the morning to come so I can get a good seat so Leonard Nemoy can see my Spock ears.
Show me the power child,
I'd like to say,
That I'm down on my knees today,
Gives me the butterflies,
Gives me away,
'Til I'm up on my feet again,
I'm feeling outshined.
Dave, you still dont understand anything right? I didn't do anything to u, I was never rude to u, if you don't like fishhead 3, or can't stand it was a hit (thats the only game i made u know about and u rate me on that, wich is pretty dumb), thats ok with me, but dont tell me the way you do it now. The only thing u do is using a lotta rude, low IQ words, wich is pretty dumb as well.
I klik for fun, I am here for fun, you klik to be proud of yourself (tho your animations are more ugly than all my "gradients" together), and you only want to spoil the fun of others.
btw, charlotte is a pretty normal name, why do you think i made her up?
and what is the lady killer title about? "Always --> set direction of "DaveC" to "slut in avatar" + set speed to 100 + set animation of "DaveC" to "jerking off""
ok enough of that, if i make u sick, just shut up about me or i will make you even sicker. I don't want this place to become less cool only cuz u cant stand my game.
Dave "NationalLiberal" C version 2.0, you still have a lot to learn. But don't worry, you are 17 years old so there is plenty of time.
(sorry to the rest of you guys, for going rude and offtopic)
"TGF is too simplistic" yeah, and that's the rason alot of people use it, MMF would be much better if it had a TGF style interface, MMF interface is bogged because of all the extras added in there. MMF Reminds me of one of those sticky note boards, crap all over the place. And yes, the graphics editor is horrible in my opinion and as that's where I spend the 2nd most amount of time while kliking I tend to use TGF, build the game, then open it in MMF add whatever MMF exclusive features I need and use MMF to compile it.
Show me the power child,
I'd like to say,
That I'm down on my knees today,
Gives me the butterflies,
Gives me away,
'Til I'm up on my feet again,
I'm feeling outshined.
I've always been using mmf, but one day I downloaded the TGF demo. I remember thinking "This is so primitive." Simply put, TGF cannot compare to MMF.
"I hate MMF, it has all these windows."
That doesn't matter if you can't see them. Just maximize the one you're working with.
"I can't stand MMF's picture editor."
Well I can't stand TGF's. TGF only goes from 1:1 to 1:8. MMF goes from 16:1 to 1:16. I don't recall TGF having a paint bucket (but I could be wrong). MMF has more tools, a larger window to work in, and the ability to stretch images.
"I can't find an object in MMF"
That is because MMF has more extentions meaning you can do more. Just look in the objects menu and remember that everything is alphabeticlly organized. Remember that the more common objects can also be found in another menu, and the most common have buttons.
Darmani the strong, Darmani the brave, Darmani the.......................idiot who fell off a cliff!
I can believe that other people have opinions... I'm just arguing for mine as are alot of people... if you have an opinion it's your perogative to argue it... if not you're a pansy with no spine... are YOU a rolling over pansy Karnage?
Show me the power child,
I'd like to say,
That I'm down on my knees today,
Gives me the butterflies,
Gives me away,
'Til I'm up on my feet again,
I'm feeling outshined.
there are still people who think their opinion is the best, and want all other people to share this opinion. these people should get a life, think clearly, how can you tell somebody what tool to use?
Missing out... on mind numbingly bad animation editting...
Show me the power child,
I'd like to say,
That I'm down on my knees today,
Gives me the butterflies,
Gives me away,
'Til I'm up on my feet again,
I'm feeling outshined.
I like TGF alot more, but MMF has things I need so I am working toward getting it.
-Above post is ancient and probably irrelevant-
An old account of mine, recently cleared out. It's a blast to the past, the age was marked as 14 when I found it. If you know where to look, you can track me. Au revoir.
Show me the power child,
I'd like to say,
That I'm down on my knees today,
Gives me the butterflies,
Gives me away,
'Til I'm up on my feet again,
I'm feeling outshined.
Two sides to every story Wizard-y... a true wizard would be wiser than that... you two bit hack of a wannabe...
Power doesn't equal better... unless you're a fascist...
Sure, MMF has some good points in which is outdoes TGF, and it has some bad points which TGF kicks it's ass with!!!
In TGF you can:
Use a simple, user friendly animation editor
Change simple things nice and simply
In MMF you can:
Forget simplicity... it's freaking pointless complexity time...
Now I can see yet another MMF fan going "Bla Bla Better, Bla Bla mine looks like TGF"... well boo hoo, mine doesn't...
Some people prefer the simplicity of TGF, others like to duke it out with the power of MMF... we all have our own preferences and no one is better outright, only in the eye of the beholder!
MMF is just a more powerful program than TGF, and so it is better
Yes it is more powerful, so far so good, but that DOESN'T make it better... underline this cos it pissed me off royally!
Show me the power child,
I'd like to say,
That I'm down on my knees today,
Gives me the butterflies,
Gives me away,
'Til I'm up on my feet again,
I'm feeling outshined.
There is more to me than perverted masturbation... not much but a little bit...
Show me the power child,
I'd like to say,
That I'm down on my knees today,
Gives me the butterflies,
Gives me away,
'Til I'm up on my feet again,
I'm feeling outshined.
i have MMF and at first I was extremely impressed by it's power and it's increased stability... then i tried to make something with it.... and realized how clickteam sure fucked up. Everything... EVERYTHING takes longer to do. I'm sure Shen's going to post "elaborate" like he has the past 20 times so here's a few examples:
hah. Thanks for taking the time to do this, I’m up for a challenge ;P
1. The animation editor:
you open it up and realize everything has changed. Now you have no walking, no running, just stopped. This is ok because you can add infinite user animations, but still a tad annoying.
everything’s changed the first time you use it. The tree-view can be helpful for seeing what you’ve got and what you haven’t.
then it goes down-hill. You start with 1 direction and a.... placement image? WTF is that damn blue diamond doing there? does it hate me and want me to waste time? Im like whatever and diss it.
It does have its uses. Making testing objects is a lot faster, like I used when writing this. Invisible frames aren't supported in TGF either, so they should be deleted.
So then I want to create a new direction, which is now not 1 click away but you have to go to a menu and select add new direction. it doesn't add the opposite directions either, oh no, that would be too CONVINIENT!!!!
except it is one click away, there’s a ‘directions’ box underneath which does the same thing in...one click. And it can add opposed and rotated directions. Take your pills.
So then, in the new direction i hope is going to be blank.... there's a FUCKING BLUE TRIANGLE!!!!! I'm like whatever, talk to the hand, you pooroly drawn piece of shit and delete it so i can paste my animation. What? where'd my precious direction go? Apparently the idea of a direction existing and awaiting art to be pasted/drawn was too easy and convinient for clickteam and they ruled it out in their famous "How can we make MMF worse to piss off our fans" meeting. So you have to paste your animation and then go back using the cumbersome scroll bar and delete the triangle.... WHY? Was that blue piece of shit really neccessary? don't you know that having all directions readily available without having to fucking select it from a menu is a GOOD THING?!?!?!? Did blank directions just slip your french little minds?
Firstly, the tree-view allows you to copy and paste and drag and drop single animations and directions, why are you pasting frames? I see what you mean about the delete it and the animation goes as well, I’ve never experienced this myself. Again, it’s something different that takes getting used to. It’s not that much extra work. You can get copies of other animations and flip them instantly. And how is the scrollbar ‘cumbersome’?
So then you go into the incredibly even worse picture editor. There are a few minor gripes that turn major when you have to deal with them every 20 seconds while spriting: The line tool doesn't let you see individual pixels... FDGREGRREYTTRGREE!
yeah, I’ve found this annoying before… like five times.
Then there's the fact that right clicking is now used for a second color instead of color selecting... that's right, the most useful thing about the TGF editor and what made it the best thing to work on pixels with was REMOVED!!!!! Oh you can shift-click to do the same thing BUT THAT ISN'T THE FUCKING SAME!!!!
I don’t see what’s so amazingly bad about this that it makes TGF unusable. Personally I think the ability to have more than one colour selected makes up for it. One for sprite, one for background. Better than one for sprite, make a mistake, right-click, erase it, right-click again. You’re thinking selectively. There’s also a third colour if you have a middle button. And there’s 31 levels of zoom which have gone unmentioned.
The hotspots and action points surely couldn't have been screwed up.... right? Oh, very wrong. I don't know if it's a bug or what, but they just don't let you see where they land on. Oh and the lovely clickteam added 1 awesome thing: resizing goes both ways. THEN THEY FUCKED IT UP!!!! Resizing looks good but show hotspot and OH LOOK TALLY HO MY FUCKING HOTSPOT IS 32 PIXELS MORE TO THE LEFT! WHOOPS!!! Roatating also fucks it up big time. I swear to god, why did they even have to touch that script? What exactly was wrong with HS and AP in TGF? Nothing... and that's why it rules.
here we go again. The hot spot does move correctly if you resize the image as well as the canvas. And it’s repositioned correctly if you resize it at the start. I don’t see where the problem is. I prefer the hot spot/action point as tools, you can do everything you want to as in TGF, you don’t have to drag them, they’re easier to turn off/on and they don’t get in the way.
Then you realize that there's no fucking scroll bar for color pallete.... HOW THE FUCK ARE PIXEL ARTISTS SUPPOSED TO WORK THEN? They aren't going to want to create a new pallete every time they fucking need a slightly lighter shade of teal now are they?
Erm... what? When you get past 4 rows of pixels you can scroll them, else it tries to fill the screen. Maybe selective seeing on your part.
True you can stop it from asking to save all the fucking time (What retard decided to put that on default?) so that's no problem. Let's say a miracle occurs and you manage to make a sprite, now let's move on:
Like wtfomg. Turn it off.
2. Everything else:
Ok, nothing is simple anymore. You want to resize the window? Holy shit, son, you sure you got an hour to spare? First dig through to find your property window (not easy) then you have to go through this horrible interface (It just gets in the way and demotes quickness) to find it in IT'S OWN FUCKING MENU!!!! Yes, they gave it an entire menu, because, survey says: having a bunch of small options in a frame setup menu is too damn good.
Hour? Right-click on the frame in the project explorer > properties > frame > resize it. Or do it from the storyboard editor (control-b). It takes getting used to, yeah. They are making an organised box for MMF2 so you can’t really say ‘too damn good’.
What's this? You want to edit the properties of an object? Ok, here's my novel of instructions: Right click on an object and a popup menu will come out. Hover it over the option with the arrow and a huge-ass menu comes out. Apparently they decided that an object preferences menu is wayyyyy too convinient so gave each and every little, insignificant thing it's own menu. Yes, even with naming and creating an icon, you will have to visit 2 different locations
AND IF ALL THIS SOUNDS LIKE NOT TOO MUCH TROUBLE, TRY REPEATING IT A FEW MILLION TIMES!!!!!!
Not every little insignificant thing, they are grouped, just not as much. As I keep saying (20 times?) it takes getting used to, I know where everything is now, after a while it’s no trouble at all.
and all these things can NOT be changed with an option, I've checked
yuh-huh.
You’ve also ignored all of TGF’s annoying little things. Like only having one app open at a time, all the extensions are in a long line, only 4 zoom levels and 1 undo level in the picture editor, you need a toolbar to insert objects, you can’t customise the interface, only 262 objects, 3 alt values, 4 custom directions, sample r bug, removing brackets bug, a lot less internal functions, tab view in picture editor.
Also, MMF can do things a lot easier and faster than TGF – more keyboard shortcuts, such as Control-B or E editor switching, cloning, duplicating and control-dragging, dragging and dropping in objects and events from other applications’ project explorers or from scraps on the desktop.
Plus the fact that it’s no longer supported and will never be patched by Clickteam, so all these are going to stay. I’m not forcing anyone to use MMF, I find it the better tool, I know some people who have found MMF easy to use straight off without using TGF. It’s the phase. Dude.
Shen that bares all the signitures of someone with WAAAAYYYYY too much time on their hands... obviously you're someone with time to burn... whether it be posting huge posts with hard to read italic paragraphs... or say... pissing around with MMF for unrequired amounts of time if one was using TGF!
Show me the power child,
I'd like to say,
That I'm down on my knees today,
Gives me the butterflies,
Gives me away,
'Til I'm up on my feet again,
I'm feeling outshined.
Show me the power child,
I'd like to say,
That I'm down on my knees today,
Gives me the butterflies,
Gives me away,
'Til I'm up on my feet again,
I'm feeling outshined.
i am dutch, and hayo is a dutch name you sad stoner.
you seem to be too stupid to tell me why you try to bash me, i asked this 3 times now, so i will just ignore you from now on unless you tell me what i have done to you now.
but you will prolly just answer with "lol shit suck gradient dawg word life f*ck" or something like that.
Sorry, I have to post this again:
Hey, I remember that somebody has a video clip about mmf2 from click convention (or something) Where is that clip now? I would like to see it.
IS THERE ANYBODY WHO KNOWS THAT VIDEO CLIP????????????
TGF is useful for making simpler games. However, for much complex games, MMF can be very useful and do many things TGF can't do. Of course the windows are annoying. Suggestion for MMF 2: get rid of cascading windows. Make new editors appear in the same window like in TGF.
Personally I like in TGF how I need only my right hand for most
spriting. (Except Ctrl-C and stuff)
The Image editor in MMF is more able but weaker.
TGFs is compressed and sturdier.
JD: lol. I feel similarly but I need to learn it I know.
Unless I wait till MMF2
Shen: MAN you have a lot of time. I read it all though.
I too, have a lot of time.
If I were clickteam I would shoot for a more TGF and
less professional interface with the same power.
TGF's is a little too bare though.
-Above post is ancient and probably irrelevant-
An old account of mine, recently cleared out. It's a blast to the past, the age was marked as 14 when I found it. If you know where to look, you can track me. Au revoir.
what snerlin said. TGF is good for making simple games. That's it. I lost interest in stupidity because of the 250 object limit. Sometimes objects wouldn't be created.
Also, i sometimes needed more alterable values. But if you make simple games, there is absolutely no problem. You don't need 10 000 objects, with 1 alt value is enough, you do everything very fast.
and about the picture editors, isn't it easier to draw stuff in paint or other cool graphics program and then paste it in MMF/TGF?
"Say you're hanging from a huge cliff at the top of mt. everest and a guy comes along and says he'll save you, and proceeds to throw religious pamphlets at you while simultaniously giving a sermon." - Dustin G
Dave C, Hayo a crap name? then what the hell is DAVE, sounds like some retard from bennets end LOL! - but anyway, we all know Hayo does and will always ourank you in almost everything positive you do, so why don't you go back to your made up girl friend and do away with her eh?
this topic is gonna keep goin
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MMF is not so bad if you set your screen resolution above 1024x768. Right now I have my screen at 1152x864. But really all you have to do is get used to MMF. I knew this one human who used MMF from the start of his game making career and he didn't think it was too "confusing". I used to like TGF better than MMF but MMF can do so much more and I decided to put myself on a daily program to get used to MMF. I gradually got used to MMF with my great product, "Nathan Dave's from TGF to MMF Training Program". IIn just a few weeks, I was using MMF like a wild boar! Here are some reader reviews:
"Wow! This is great! I can now move counters freely around my game! Thanks Nathan Dave aka Sage!!!" ~ Phoenix Ohio, from New York
"I never knew MMF had this much power! I can now take full control of Transparency and other!" ~ Dallas Chicago, from Vice City USA
"YEAS! I know how to use MMF now! My life is complete! I'm going to kill myself!" ~ Washington California, from Florida
If you want to be like these people, put youself on Nathan Dave's from TGF to MMF Training Program right now! What are you waiting for? You can make the change, I can help.
patent pending
Shen, take your dick out of MMF's ass long enough to see the total crap that it is...
Show me the power child,
I'd like to say,
That I'm down on my knees today,
Gives me the butterflies,
Gives me away,
'Til I'm up on my feet again,
I'm feeling outshined.
Maybe its time to end this post. Its like some religious war or something.
Conclusions:
-MMF has more power than TGF.
-TGF is easy, so easy people like TGF.
-MMF is more complicated, so complicated people like MMF.
-MMF has a sprite/animation editor wich is hard to use for some of us.
-TGF is buggy on some computers.
-MMF and TGF are cool.
-Ashman and Paul are cool.
-Dave C is not (no offence,lol).
-Everybody is free to choose.
not necesaarily people like tgf beacuse they are easy, maybe they can't afford MMF
and MMF's not necesarily complicated, it's er.. sophisticated, and maybe people who use MMF do find it easy and don't consider it complicated
lol this topic can go on forever. when it almost dies, some jerk comes round and says something like "mmf is better, tgf sucks" or "you are a fag when u use mmf". then people get annoyed and start to cuss. I think we need fire to destroy this topic.
*jerk comes*
quote: "I was merely trying to point out that it is quicker to make a game in MMF. Stupid..."
I have to disagree with that. I think that depends on the kliker, or the kind of game, or the atmosphere conditions (well, maybe not that)
"firstly, hayo is still a crap name, far worse than dave which is like one of the most used names EVER duhhh."
thats why dave is stupid, there are about 3476326 daves on this world. so dont make fun of yourself.
"fishhead, dawg, i didn't start shit it was all you. i was like, thats a nice game you got there fishhead and you said "stfu dave"."
dave i dont have a clue what u are talking about, I didn't even know u before you started bashing me. so you must have mistaken me for somebody else. you dont know who i am or what i am like, so please stop the dumb shit now.
(if i did say stfu dave, can u please link me to that?)
"im not liking "witty responses" they make me sick. smells like a cancerous nerd or something. "
now who is the nerd here? you are complaining about gradients and stuff.
“firstly, hayo is still a crap name, far worse than dave which is like one of the most used names EVER duhhh”
The fact that many people have something, does NOT mean that it is GOOD.
Mostly, it is otherwise: things that are extremely common, just are mostly not really good. Examples: Backstreat Boys, Britney Spears, McDonalds, Windows, MMF, wrestling
The things with high QUALITY (you know, which are really good), are mostly NOT common. Examples: beautiful paintings, sculpture, and rare names like hayo.
“you cant touch this, dave c's untouchable word life!”
Of course he can not touch you silly. Fishhead lives in Holland, you live in your own Dave-country. (Dave country is obviously a country where people don’t talk normal, they only flame each other; and they wrestle and look at semi-pornographic photos. Also they are all scared of gradients so they texture everything)(hey, this makes me think of the USA….)
But anyway, you must not say such silly things as “you cant touch this”, because everyone KNOWS that Fishhead cant touch you.
(and no one WANTS to touch you anyway)
And how can we rightly answer that question?
Whichever of the two are best able to guard the laws and institutions of our State --let them be our guardians.
Very good.
Neither, I said, can there be any question that the guardian who is to keep anything should have eyes rather than no eyes?
There can be no question of that.
And are not those who are verily and indeed wanting in the knowledge of the true being of each thing, and who have in their souls no clear pattern, and are unable as with a painter's eye to look at the absolute truth and to that original to repair, and having perfect vision of the other world to order the laws about beauty, goodness, justice in this, if not already ordered, and to guard and preserve the order of them --are not such persons, I ask, simply blind?
By the way, I think YOU was National-Liberal anyway.
And how can we rightly answer that question?
Whichever of the two are best able to guard the laws and institutions of our State --let them be our guardians.
Very good.
Neither, I said, can there be any question that the guardian who is to keep anything should have eyes rather than no eyes?
There can be no question of that.
And are not those who are verily and indeed wanting in the knowledge of the true being of each thing, and who have in their souls no clear pattern, and are unable as with a painter's eye to look at the absolute truth and to that original to repair, and having perfect vision of the other world to order the laws about beauty, goodness, justice in this, if not already ordered, and to guard and preserve the order of them --are not such persons, I ask, simply blind?
I was hoping my "Shen's dick in MMF's ass" would have this topic locked faster than Dave_C's chastity belt...
Show me the power child,
I'd like to say,
That I'm down on my knees today,
Gives me the butterflies,
Gives me away,
'Til I'm up on my feet again,
I'm feeling outshined.
dave ur a retard, I wont talk to u anymore cuz nothing you say makes sense.
(you are a 17 year old schoolboy, I am a 20 year old teacher so that makes me better than you)
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Registered 23/09/2002
Points 4811
6th January, 2004 at 11:46:16 -
no need, necropixel. i've recevieved several complaints about him, and just seen his actions in this post. so his account has strangely dissapeared. that "word life" shit was incredibly annoying too.
ANYWAY, i believe a debate was going in this post before it developed into a massive flamefest. so i'm locking this as half of it is useless, but i'll start up another topic for the debate to continue sensibly.
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