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10th June, 2011 at 11:40:13 -

seriously win7 is **** so a big shout out and ******* to people who claim its good. you know who i mean.

seriously what makes win 7 any good? i still think xp is superior.

HELL it can't even preview animated GIFs anymore. thats one reason why I have always hated OSX- nice to see windows is **** now too.

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10th June, 2011 at 12:49:09 -

I like Windows7 a lot - more than XP - although XP is great too. You could definitely argue that maybe Windows7 should still be better than it is, considering it just feels like XP with a few extras, and XP was released years agao.

You can't seriously be suggesting an OS is worse just because it can't preview animated gifs? For me, that's far less useful than being able to view thumbnails of Paintshop Pro 9 files (.psp) for example - and you can't do that in XP.

I'll admit there aren't any major improvements, but there are loads of very small ones.
For example, the path in the save/open file dialogs is now a dropdown menu, so you can navigate more quickly.
If you create a new file from the right-click menu, it only selects the name (not the extension) so you can just type a new name and press enter - instead of having to type the extension as well.
You can open a folder in a new window.
If you copy a file, and another already exists with the same name, you can have it automatically renamed (very useful when merging image galleries, for example).
I also think the aero interface looks better (especially since you can make it bright pink if you want).
I like the window snapping feature.
I like the way files are stacked in the taskbar.
I found it much easier to set up file/printer sharing.
And lots more besides...

The fact that Microsoft haven't totally changed the way everything looks and works, is definitely a good thing.

The biggest negative for me, is probably the fact that they've given WordPad the dreaded ribbon interface. I use it a lot for just writing quick text files, but I may have to start using Word 2003 instead now. There are probably a few other bad points, but I can't think of any right now.

 
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10th June, 2011 at 13:46:32 -

I wouldn't say I hate windows 7 (have been using it for a month now), but indeed I do feel it is limiting (almost claustrophobic) like OSX.

 
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10th June, 2011 at 15:06:46 -

well i just dont understand why xp has a lot of great features and instead of improving those they simply remove them. it doesnt make much sense.

why would they remove gif preview? also the new search is pretty shit.

speaking of paint shop pro files. i believe thats more jaques or corels fault (they bought jaques, right?) instead of m$'s fault. i know i have thumbnails for PHOTOSHOP files (not saying thats what you get for using psp instead of ps but it probably has something to do with the dev. and if he implanted stuff and not your os)

 
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10th June, 2011 at 15:36:53 -

New search is fine. It allows me to look into text files when I'm viewing results when I choose content view. Why don't you formulate more detailed criticism instead of comparing it to excrement. Maybe half the things you think are problems are just misunderstandings.

 
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10th June, 2011 at 15:54:29 -

some might say win7... "removed" all the good features from winxp, but I know who really did it

 
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10th June, 2011 at 16:18:18 -

@MasterM:
What great features? So far, you've listed ONE feature.
Besides, animated gifs are obsolete anyway - the real question is "why haven't they added support for apng files?"

New search is fine. Maybe you just haven't learned how to use it properly yet?

 
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The more I use windows 7, the more I dislike it's niggles but it's not bad - I just fail to see why people went crazy for it on release . That said it's miles better than Vista IMO.

I get annoyed at having no option to have a classic start menu (I find the Win 98 style menu the best, and a lot quicker for me than searching for my programs) although pinning is not too bad tbh, retarded unsigned driver enforcement (a ball ache as a hardware developer, always having to turn it off by hitting F8 on boot), and compatibility mode seems to be a bit hit and miss with the software I use.

The default task bar with just icons is kind of stupid IMO, I want to see the name of the application, and the file open. I soon changed that though .

I guess I will love it once I have some DX10/11 games haha



 
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10th June, 2011 at 17:41:01 -

I've had no problems. I only run about 10 programs on my computer though.
Firefox
Thunderbird
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Command Prompt
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And some others every now and then.

 
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10th June, 2011 at 17:50:49 -

I agree with you on the start menu thing - I had to spend quite a long time reorganizing it, pinning the programs I use the most. That was a bit of a pain, I must admit, but at least I shouldn't need to do it all again.

No problems with drivers / software compatibility / etc yet. but maybe I'm just lucky.

Inevitably, you can't please all the people, all the time...

 
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No really i apologize. Win 7 is awesome.

It came with this Acer notebook i got just a few days ago. All i have installed is CS 5 and my wacom driver.

Worked fine for a few days. Just updated win a lot. So today i started working on my graduate film and it gave me a blue screen of death 3 times. At the third reboot my wacom tablet wouldn't work anymore.
I tried to reboot it and now all i get is a blue screen. Uninstalled the wacom driver in save mode but still i can't boot into windows and i have no clue what to do at all.

 
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10th June, 2011 at 18:28:34 -

It sounds like Windows 7 got sick of your bullshit...

 
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10th June, 2011 at 18:46:17 -

BSODs are usually hardware related. Maybe you got sent a faulty computer, since you say that's new too...

 
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Funny how admin censored the post, but left the thread title intact

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10th June, 2011 at 20:24:54 -

It's the thought that counts Phredreeke.

Yeah sound's like a hardware problem, or a driver problem.

 
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10th June, 2011 at 22:06:34 -

Windows 7 is excellent.

Windows 8 is gonna be interesting... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p92QfWOw88I

 
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10th June, 2011 at 22:37:17 -

I actually prefer Windows 7...
In fact, we're already at the point where Windows XP is becoming the source of some problems. When the official SDK for Portal 2 came out, there was an issue that only XP users faced, that caused it to not open and function properly. Not saying anything against Windows XP. Windows XP is historically one of the best versions of Windows to date, if not the best up until Windows 7 and even then, that's not saying much about Windows 7. It's newer so it's a little better and though XP is/was one hell of an operating system, it's time to move on.

 
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11th June, 2011 at 00:01:55 -

I said the same thing about Ubuntu switching from Gnome to Unity. Then i got used to it. Same with switching from XP to 7. Just had to get used to it, and now i actually wouldn't be able to go back to XP.

The one thing i have a REAL problem with is 32 and 64 bit operating system compatibility issues. It's getting better, but things that are 32 bit used to just break on 64 bit systems, and vice versa 64 bit software wouldnt work AT ALL on 32, for obvious reasons. I'm not sure this will ever really be solved until the majority of computer users are on a 64 bit platform.

This windows 8 crap sounds awful. It looks like it is too much aimed for touch, with classic desktop tacked on, "oh yeah we got that too for older software". I understand tablets and touch are becoming more mainstream, but developing a major pc operating system around the concept? we'll see about that.

 
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12th June, 2011 at 11:55:21 -

New does not necessarlily equal better. Why does everyone assume such a trend?

I prefer Gnome over Unity to be honest, i just find the loss of the top bar when running applications annoying. Similar thing to win XP too, I prefer a conventional program list of some description over docks et al.

 
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People still claim windows get blue screens of death? I haven't seen a blue screen of death in 10 years, maybe I'm doing something right? For a while there, I thought circy removed the blue screen of death, so I was happy, but now MasterM is getting them all of them on his own! this is so unfair, circy, why are you doing this??

 
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Originally Posted by ..::hagar::..
New does not necessarlily equal better. Why does everyone assume such a trend?

I prefer Gnome over Unity to be honest, i just find the loss of the top bar when running applications annoying. Similar thing to win XP too, I prefer a conventional program list of some description over docks et al.



That's true but in this case, Windows 7 is newer and it is better so theres no reason not to upgrade if you can afford it.

 
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12th June, 2011 at 16:28:03 -

Actually there is one little reason, it's called "personal preference"

 
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Cheers Hayo

Win 7 is better becuase of Aero's shineyness. Forget the fact I have it turned onto classic!

 
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Originally Posted by Hayo
Actually there is one little reason, it's called "personal preference"



Of course, until system compatibility starts dropping Windows XP off the radar. At one point, Windows 98 and Windows 2000 were always tacked onto the box of virtually any piece of software. Quickly though, Windows XP became the lowest supported OS. Even quicker than that, not even base Windows XP was good enough, you needed an upgraded version of Windows XP, Service pack 1, then 2, then 3. When we have software that not only requires SP3 but other software that already starts showing signs of glitching on Windows XP due to compatibility - we're fast approaching a time where your personal preference is going to start feeling like a heavy weight and before long, a burden that you'll start thinking twice about wanting to carry around.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for personal preference at times where it makes sense, and right now it does still make sense that some people still prefer Windows XP over Windows 7. However I'd say it's more to your benefit to learn to like Windows 7 before you're ultimately forced into it.

 
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I have had no problems on XP to date, things just work - all the problems I have are on Vista and 7 . I am a pretty proficient PC user - writing software, tools (mostly in C), 3D rendering, HD video editing, engineering design, and of course using klik tools

All I want MS to do is to offer an OPTION for me to set the start menu to a classic style - without having to resort to shell modification tools. Is that too much too ask? Sure have the default as the new funky style, but the classic style should be an option IMO. At least with Ubuntu I have the option of running Gnome on boot...

What next MS, will my Windows 7 get bricked (next update) with my shell mods (ala Apple iOS style) ?

 
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Maybe something like this would be better suited to your needs?
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Here is a possible OS for you Sketchy. It's even more shiney

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Does dragging stuff off the dock still make things get deleted?

Hand's up if you have developed: PCIe instrumentation cards and software and drivers? 480 Megabit USB 2 peripherals and software (through libusb)? Remote controlled (via TCP) lighting units (hardware and software)? The list goes on... I would say I am quite proficient at PC software and hardware development , and although I think Win 7 is a good OS I like choice.

At the end of the day everyone has there own likes and dislikes dude.



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13th June, 2011 at 15:09:14 -

Jesus Sketchy, I lost my respect for you.

 
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Wow. Some people really can't take a joke...

 
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Yeah, it's our fault. How dare we not like lame jokes that look like they try to make fun of people?

 
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Originally Posted by ..::hagar::..
I have had no problems on XP to date, things just work - all the problems I have are on Vista and 7 . I am a pretty proficient PC user - writing software, tools (mostly in C), 3D rendering, HD video editing, engineering design, and of course using klik tools

All I want MS to do is to offer an OPTION for me to set the start menu to a classic style - without having to resort to shell modification tools. Is that too much too ask? Sure have the default as the new funky style, but the classic style should be an option IMO. At least with Ubuntu I have the option of running Gnome on boot...

What next MS, will my Windows 7 get bricked (next update) with my shell mods (ala Apple iOS style) ?

If you get Windows 7 Ultimate, you can get Windows XP Mode. Then you'd have the best of both worlds because you have a fully-functioning version of Windows XP and Windows 7.

 
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I run Windows 7 Pro which has XP mode too ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7_editions#Comparison_chart ), and I VM Ubuntu. As i have said 7 is not too bad at all - I just detest change without options to go back to what you are used too (probably some form of OCD or something haha).

 
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What the hell? MS made an edition of Win 7 that doesn't support more than 2 gb ram?

 
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Well from a marketing point of view, Windows 7 Starter Edition is just an excuse to slip Windows into as many low tech devices as they can. You'll only ever really find Starter Edition in Netbooks and you'd be hard pressed to find a Netbook with over 2GB's of RAM. At that point, it starts becoming a laptop and in that respect, will probably come with Home Basic or Home Premium.

I agree though, it is a pretty idiotic limitation - so is the fact that you can't change the wallpaper on Starter Edition, but hey... marketing strategies don't always make sense and as long as I'm getting what I want in the end, I honestly couldn't care less about people who either ignorantly or worse, knowingly step on their own feet by being the recipients of such low market targeting. These are typically the people who hate computers because they don't get why everyone loves them and aren't willing to invest in one to find out.

 
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A point about previewing animated GIFs : I believe this functionality requires a browser and always has done, as does previewing SVG files. Ok well it doesn't need it, but the functionality is required by the browser, so it can be done by loading the said image in an embedded (Internet Explorer) browser frame. You can thank Brussels for Microsoft's shy approach to writing software that relies on an installation of Internet Explorer.

Furthermore my opinion on this "version hate" is that people will always hate new versions of Windows. 10 years down the line people have adjusted and don't like to change. Windows 7 is better than XP when looking at it from the viewpoint of a solid architecture capable of managing modern hardware (particularly the 64 bit version). To translate that into actual user experience, I have had 1 BSOD since using Windows 7 which was really my own fault for messing around, I have to clean the computers that I manage far less often (my extensive family gets free tech support), and malware and viruses appear to be far less potent due to restrictions imposed at the kernel level. Computer proficiency doesn't automatically qualify you to understand how to use a new product and it should be approached with the understanding that the operating system is not an update to existing features, but a redesign of everything from the core up, but with enough support for older applications to make (the majority of) them compatible. I can see that it's particularly annoying when existing features are removed, but with anti-competition laws, even having a browser preinstalled on the OS will (and has in some cases) become a thing of the past. A user with particular needs should customise their machine to their required specification by installing third party software and I believe a movement in this direction will remove bloat from subsequent versions of the OS. It would be far easier if windows had its own package manager. What you end up with is an OS that caters for the masses (clearly one that sets out to compete with Apple's OS's), and leaves those lovely people with a preference for XP styles and UI to manage this themselves.

Yes there is preference, but to cater to all possible preferences makes for an even more bloated OS than we have already. If you don't like how something works, change it. If you are too ignorant, lazy or stupid to learn how to do that, feel free to use XP if that's what you like.

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Why are you guys being all serious Shirley up in here?


Originally Posted by Sketchy
BSODs are usually hardware related. Maybe you got sent a faulty computer, since you say that's new too...



Sounds more like a possible issue with his drivers to me. BSODs are caused by software problems all the time. He needs to check the error codes on the BSOD and the Event Log to see whats up.

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Love my win7 installation, only thing I would swap is the new start menu for the classic one.

Don't believe I like previewing files, just create a lightweight program for viewing images.

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Originally Posted by GamesterXIII
Why are you guys being all serious Shirley up in here?


Originally Posted by Sketchy
BSODs are usually hardware related. Maybe you got sent a faulty computer, since you say that's new too...



Sounds more like a possible issue with his drivers to me. BSODs are caused by software problems all the time. He needs to check the error codes on the BSOD and the Event Log to see whats up.



It's been my experience that hardware is typically always the root of a BSOD issue. Like you said though, it's not always the hardware at fault. In fact, more often than not, it's drivers. However it's drivers communicating with hardware which causes the computer to think the hardware is faulty when it's really the software.
I've yet to run into an issue where a BSOD was entirely software based. In fact, one instance I know of, there was a section on my hard drive with a particular file which was severely corrupt. Anytime I tried to interact with it, even through Windows Explorer, I would get a BSOD.

Correct me I'm wrong (no sarcasm), but it seems as though one way or another, a BSOD is Window's way of accusing the hardware of being at fault. Even if the software is at fault, Windows doesn't know that - all Windows see's is hardware responding "incorrectly" and pops up a BSOD.

 
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Originally Posted by Jenswa
Love my win7 installation, only thing I would swap is the new start menu for the classic one.

Don't believe I like previewing files, just create a lightweight program for viewing images.

Oh and btw: Linux for the masses!



I agree entirely

 
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"Correct me I'm wrong (no sarcasm), but it seems as though one way or another, a BSOD is Window's way of accusing the hardware of being at fault. Even if the software is at fault, Windows doesn't know that - all Windows see's is hardware responding "incorrectly" and pops up a BSOD."

Pretty much. I just say software since Drivers are . . .software

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About windows, bsods, hardware, software and drivers.

It sounds like hardware can't do anything wrong since the software should always catch this fault and continue working. But that's not true is it?

Sure little artifacts could be caught and adjusted for by setting a graphics card's clock speeds to their defaults, however if the card can't make up your screen because of a hardware fault, how on earth should the driver software correct for this error?

 
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20th June, 2011 at 21:17:26 -


Originally Posted by GamesterXIII
"Correct me I'm wrong (no sarcasm), but it seems as though one way or another, a BSOD is Window's way of accusing the hardware of being at fault. Even if the software is at fault, Windows doesn't know that - all Windows see's is hardware responding "incorrectly" and pops up a BSOD."

Pretty much. I just say software since Drivers are . . .software



Yeah but it's the software causing Windows to think it's a hardware issue...

So in the end, a BSOD is Windows saying "Theres a hardware error going on here." Even if the issue is in the software's inability to communicate with the hardware - one way or another, the hardware isn't communicating properly with the operating system. It's impossible for Windows to know if it's a driver issue or a real genuine hardware issue, so it's entirely possible that a BSOD is software related - however it's intent is to describe a physical hardware dis-communication between the software and the hardware.

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23rd June, 2011 at 04:46:40 -


Originally Posted by Silveraura

Originally Posted by GamesterXIII
"Correct me I'm wrong (no sarcasm), but it seems as though one way or another, a BSOD is Window's way of accusing the hardware of being at fault. Even if the software is at fault, Windows doesn't know that - all Windows see's is hardware responding "incorrectly" and pops up a BSOD."

Pretty much. I just say software since Drivers are . . .software



Yeah but it's the software causing Windows to think it's a hardware issue...

So in the end, a BSOD is Windows saying "Theres a hardware error going on here." Even if the issue is in the software's inability to communicate with the hardware - one way or another, the hardware isn't communicating properly with the operating system. It's impossible for Windows to know if it's a driver issue or a real genuine hardware issue, so it's entirely possible that a BSOD is software related - however it's intent is to describe a physical hardware dis-communication between the software and the hardware.



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24th June, 2011 at 22:03:48 -

There has been a lot of updates lately for windows 7, and when windows is downloading and installing the updates this PC becomes so slow (i7 4 Cores with 8 threads, when I brought the machine the CPU was in the top 10 CPU benchmarks), I would hate to think what's it like on a low end CPU powered machine!

I can not remember XP's update process being so resource intensive... :S

 
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24th June, 2011 at 23:15:35 -

Haven't had anything like that.
I have noticed that some of the updates have been very large files, and they've taken forever to download on my slow broadband connection - but that didn't affect anything but the browser.

You should probably just set the update options to automatic download & manual install - that way you can leave it updating when you're not using the computer.

It seems very strange to me that updates aren't automatically done while there's less activity on the computer - like how some antivirus programs start scanning your computer when you leave it for a few minutes.

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25th June, 2011 at 13:14:13 -

here is the thing: i've got this win7 laptop 3 weeks ago and it always crashes when i want to go online and ive no clue what to do about it. i get a blue screen. ive asked on a computer forum but people ignore me. i hate that.

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fun fact: it works fine at home but crashes at work- no matter if i use wifi or cable.

 
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25th June, 2011 at 19:40:39 -

That's because you got a German laptop.

 
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25th June, 2011 at 23:23:53 -


Originally Posted by Hayo
That's because you got a German laptop.



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30th June, 2011 at 11:46:44 -

@MasterM

... a little off topic reply ...

Did you searched the internet for the BUG CHECK STRINGS?

If you did, you might have read some websites with information about hardware faults causing your crashes. So you should try using your pc with as little extra hardware as possible, not sure that is possible with a notebook. But in a desktop things can be unplugged very easily. Perhaps you could unplug (or even better: swap) your network device.

Go online with another netword card (perhaps usb based?) annd try if that works for you.

 
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