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13th June, 2011 at 18:17:12 -


Originally Posted by ..::hagar::..
I have had no problems on XP to date, things just work - all the problems I have are on Vista and 7 . I am a pretty proficient PC user - writing software, tools (mostly in C), 3D rendering, HD video editing, engineering design, and of course using klik tools

All I want MS to do is to offer an OPTION for me to set the start menu to a classic style - without having to resort to shell modification tools. Is that too much too ask? Sure have the default as the new funky style, but the classic style should be an option IMO. At least with Ubuntu I have the option of running Gnome on boot...

What next MS, will my Windows 7 get bricked (next update) with my shell mods (ala Apple iOS style) ?

If you get Windows 7 Ultimate, you can get Windows XP Mode. Then you'd have the best of both worlds because you have a fully-functioning version of Windows XP and Windows 7.

 
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13th June, 2011 at 18:50:48 -

I run Windows 7 Pro which has XP mode too ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7_editions#Comparison_chart ), and I VM Ubuntu. As i have said 7 is not too bad at all - I just detest change without options to go back to what you are used too (probably some form of OCD or something haha).

 
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13th June, 2011 at 19:15:48 -

What the hell? MS made an edition of Win 7 that doesn't support more than 2 gb ram?

 
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13th June, 2011 at 19:29:18 -

Well from a marketing point of view, Windows 7 Starter Edition is just an excuse to slip Windows into as many low tech devices as they can. You'll only ever really find Starter Edition in Netbooks and you'd be hard pressed to find a Netbook with over 2GB's of RAM. At that point, it starts becoming a laptop and in that respect, will probably come with Home Basic or Home Premium.

I agree though, it is a pretty idiotic limitation - so is the fact that you can't change the wallpaper on Starter Edition, but hey... marketing strategies don't always make sense and as long as I'm getting what I want in the end, I honestly couldn't care less about people who either ignorantly or worse, knowingly step on their own feet by being the recipients of such low market targeting. These are typically the people who hate computers because they don't get why everyone loves them and aren't willing to invest in one to find out.

 
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14th June, 2011 at 21:12:33 -

A point about previewing animated GIFs : I believe this functionality requires a browser and always has done, as does previewing SVG files. Ok well it doesn't need it, but the functionality is required by the browser, so it can be done by loading the said image in an embedded (Internet Explorer) browser frame. You can thank Brussels for Microsoft's shy approach to writing software that relies on an installation of Internet Explorer.

Furthermore my opinion on this "version hate" is that people will always hate new versions of Windows. 10 years down the line people have adjusted and don't like to change. Windows 7 is better than XP when looking at it from the viewpoint of a solid architecture capable of managing modern hardware (particularly the 64 bit version). To translate that into actual user experience, I have had 1 BSOD since using Windows 7 which was really my own fault for messing around, I have to clean the computers that I manage far less often (my extensive family gets free tech support), and malware and viruses appear to be far less potent due to restrictions imposed at the kernel level. Computer proficiency doesn't automatically qualify you to understand how to use a new product and it should be approached with the understanding that the operating system is not an update to existing features, but a redesign of everything from the core up, but with enough support for older applications to make (the majority of) them compatible. I can see that it's particularly annoying when existing features are removed, but with anti-competition laws, even having a browser preinstalled on the OS will (and has in some cases) become a thing of the past. A user with particular needs should customise their machine to their required specification by installing third party software and I believe a movement in this direction will remove bloat from subsequent versions of the OS. It would be far easier if windows had its own package manager. What you end up with is an OS that caters for the masses (clearly one that sets out to compete with Apple's OS's), and leaves those lovely people with a preference for XP styles and UI to manage this themselves.

Yes there is preference, but to cater to all possible preferences makes for an even more bloated OS than we have already. If you don't like how something works, change it. If you are too ignorant, lazy or stupid to learn how to do that, feel free to use XP if that's what you like.

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15th June, 2011 at 07:08:42 -

Why are you guys being all serious Shirley up in here?


Originally Posted by Sketchy
BSODs are usually hardware related. Maybe you got sent a faulty computer, since you say that's new too...



Sounds more like a possible issue with his drivers to me. BSODs are caused by software problems all the time. He needs to check the error codes on the BSOD and the Event Log to see whats up.

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15th June, 2011 at 20:02:58 -

Love my win7 installation, only thing I would swap is the new start menu for the classic one.

Don't believe I like previewing files, just create a lightweight program for viewing images.

Oh and btw: Linux for the masses!

 
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16th June, 2011 at 07:14:18 -


Originally Posted by GamesterXIII
Why are you guys being all serious Shirley up in here?


Originally Posted by Sketchy
BSODs are usually hardware related. Maybe you got sent a faulty computer, since you say that's new too...



Sounds more like a possible issue with his drivers to me. BSODs are caused by software problems all the time. He needs to check the error codes on the BSOD and the Event Log to see whats up.



It's been my experience that hardware is typically always the root of a BSOD issue. Like you said though, it's not always the hardware at fault. In fact, more often than not, it's drivers. However it's drivers communicating with hardware which causes the computer to think the hardware is faulty when it's really the software.
I've yet to run into an issue where a BSOD was entirely software based. In fact, one instance I know of, there was a section on my hard drive with a particular file which was severely corrupt. Anytime I tried to interact with it, even through Windows Explorer, I would get a BSOD.

Correct me I'm wrong (no sarcasm), but it seems as though one way or another, a BSOD is Window's way of accusing the hardware of being at fault. Even if the software is at fault, Windows doesn't know that - all Windows see's is hardware responding "incorrectly" and pops up a BSOD.

 
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16th June, 2011 at 14:18:35 -


Originally Posted by Jenswa
Love my win7 installation, only thing I would swap is the new start menu for the classic one.

Don't believe I like previewing files, just create a lightweight program for viewing images.

Oh and btw: Linux for the masses!



I agree entirely

 
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16th June, 2011 at 16:39:24 -

"Correct me I'm wrong (no sarcasm), but it seems as though one way or another, a BSOD is Window's way of accusing the hardware of being at fault. Even if the software is at fault, Windows doesn't know that - all Windows see's is hardware responding "incorrectly" and pops up a BSOD."

Pretty much. I just say software since Drivers are . . .software

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18th June, 2011 at 11:33:27 -

About windows, bsods, hardware, software and drivers.

It sounds like hardware can't do anything wrong since the software should always catch this fault and continue working. But that's not true is it?

Sure little artifacts could be caught and adjusted for by setting a graphics card's clock speeds to their defaults, however if the card can't make up your screen because of a hardware fault, how on earth should the driver software correct for this error?

 
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20th June, 2011 at 21:17:26 -


Originally Posted by GamesterXIII
"Correct me I'm wrong (no sarcasm), but it seems as though one way or another, a BSOD is Window's way of accusing the hardware of being at fault. Even if the software is at fault, Windows doesn't know that - all Windows see's is hardware responding "incorrectly" and pops up a BSOD."

Pretty much. I just say software since Drivers are . . .software



Yeah but it's the software causing Windows to think it's a hardware issue...

So in the end, a BSOD is Windows saying "Theres a hardware error going on here." Even if the issue is in the software's inability to communicate with the hardware - one way or another, the hardware isn't communicating properly with the operating system. It's impossible for Windows to know if it's a driver issue or a real genuine hardware issue, so it's entirely possible that a BSOD is software related - however it's intent is to describe a physical hardware dis-communication between the software and the hardware.

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Originally Posted by Silveraura

Originally Posted by GamesterXIII
"Correct me I'm wrong (no sarcasm), but it seems as though one way or another, a BSOD is Window's way of accusing the hardware of being at fault. Even if the software is at fault, Windows doesn't know that - all Windows see's is hardware responding "incorrectly" and pops up a BSOD."

Pretty much. I just say software since Drivers are . . .software



Yeah but it's the software causing Windows to think it's a hardware issue...

So in the end, a BSOD is Windows saying "Theres a hardware error going on here." Even if the issue is in the software's inability to communicate with the hardware - one way or another, the hardware isn't communicating properly with the operating system. It's impossible for Windows to know if it's a driver issue or a real genuine hardware issue, so it's entirely possible that a BSOD is software related - however it's intent is to describe a physical hardware dis-communication between the software and the hardware.



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24th June, 2011 at 22:03:48 -

There has been a lot of updates lately for windows 7, and when windows is downloading and installing the updates this PC becomes so slow (i7 4 Cores with 8 threads, when I brought the machine the CPU was in the top 10 CPU benchmarks), I would hate to think what's it like on a low end CPU powered machine!

I can not remember XP's update process being so resource intensive... :S

 
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24th June, 2011 at 23:15:35 -

Haven't had anything like that.
I have noticed that some of the updates have been very large files, and they've taken forever to download on my slow broadband connection - but that didn't affect anything but the browser.

You should probably just set the update options to automatic download & manual install - that way you can leave it updating when you're not using the computer.

It seems very strange to me that updates aren't automatically done while there's less activity on the computer - like how some antivirus programs start scanning your computer when you leave it for a few minutes.

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