Just checked up on my philosophical debate (which broke no rules) about what you would do if you woke up one morning and realised you were bottle of thread lock.
I find it disappointing that it got locked anonymously (totally and utterly lame) and secondly there was no reason to its locking. I guess I have some condolence in that it did not disappear by the power of magic.
Great Job guys!
I request that the person who locked the thread be known and secondly the reason for its locking. This is something I think all locked threads should display.
I totally agree, there was no reason to lock that thread at all. That said, the events over the past few weeks made me completely lose my respect for this site (or what was left of it).
It was locked because the topic was too uncomfortable for one particular admin. I think that's your reason. I don't agree with it either but there you go.
Well ssrsly its up the ADMINS what gets locked and what not. If they see something that is not suited to the site they have to right to lock it! Its THEIR site.
It's a control freak issue thing. I think certain admins on this site also deal with issues on more of a personal scale, rather than proffesional. But hey, according to a recent PM from Rikus we're not allow to tell Admins what to do (voice our opinions). So I guess you're right, Roncho.
I think it's okay for people to voice their opinions about the admins, especially when they think an admin has made an incorrect decision. We're trying to listen to constructive criticism a lot more now (although it might not seem like it, we've had several discussions about dealing with certain things on the site - and we're still working on it).
I just think that sometimes creating a thread to do that isn't always the best way - it sort of gives off a negative vibe around the place and doesn't always end in a positive result. A PM or e-mail to one of the admins should suffice and actually get you somewhere.
Though in this case I have seen the thread and I will look into it, if you have any further problems then feel free to send me a message.
Originally Posted by Swiss Hagar Surely you already know who locked it? Surely there is some logging system of admin actions? It would be crazy not to have such a system.
I think public discussion is the best way in this situation afraid, the voice of many is more likely to get through.
I'll agree with you on this one
..and nope, no logging system on any admin actions/commands (yes I know that completely sucks). It is something I've proposed to the rest of the team and we're still discussing it. Personally I would like to completely revamp the whole moderation system from scratch, but it'll take time if we're to get it right.
Feel free to discuss anything regarding this here, so long as it isn't personal attacks on individual admins. If you have a problem with an individual then message one of us.
Originally Posted by Roncho Well ssrsly its up the ADMINS what gets locked and what not. If they see something that is not suited to the site they have to right to lock it! Its THEIR site.
Most of the site admins were regular users themselves like you and me.
I always thought of tdc as a community, it doesn't to belong to one or two persons, it belongs to everyone who wants to be part of it.
The admins have added responsibilities and their job is not easy, but I think complaining about a bad decision is a right we have.
Originally Posted by -Adam- It's a control freak issue thing. I think certain admins on this site also deal with issues on more of a personal scale, rather than proffesional. But hey, according to a recent PM from Rikus we're not allow to tell Admins what to do (voice our opinions). So I guess you're right, Roncho.
Why are you still here if you hate this site so much?
- Ok, you must admit that was the most creative cussing this site have ever seen -
I don't think he hates the site, just some perhaps questionable decisions. Eg, the way I silenced Adam was not the right way to go about it, and I hold my hands up to that.
Because its not all bad. There are members I like and the place is always active, but I think it used to be a lot better. Like when it was rewarding to get a game on the front page or win GOTW, and Rikus hardly spoke so everyone thought he was mighty.
I was going to not respond because I didn't want to narrow down the list of who did it, but I don't think the topic warranted a lock, so I must confess my innocence. I don't think I've locked anything recently, as far as I can remember.
Some things have been crappy lately, but I still have hope yadda yadda we can get along bla bla bla. I'm going back to the discussion about puzzle games.
The whole point of me complaining is that I still like this site.
Just trying to prove that a lot of people think pointless locking of threads or deleting of posts is not improving the crappyness at all, and is in many peoples opinions only making TDC's members more dissident.
**Plays the dramatic look music and glares at the remaining suspects**
Yeah, us old farts have been here nearly since the beginning of TDC (and were active on other click community sites before that), it's in our blood, man. Now we all got a little grumpy since one old fart was silenced while a very annoying little stinker is being protected by the admins at the same time. So we go sit moaning and bitching on our old man benches.
He was banned for 3 months, after receiving his third warning I believe (the site automatically bans anyone who reaches their third warning).
Though I'm now starting to think automatically banning users is probably not a good way of doing things.. but it has been in place for about 3 years now and we haven't had any problems. I may think about scrapping it though.
Disclaimer: Any sarcasm in my posts will not be mentioned as that would ruin the purpose. It is assumed that the reader is intelligent enough to tell the difference between what is sarcasm and what is not.
I have to concede I didn't really see anything wrong with the previous thread so I, along with the others are not sure why it was locked in the first place. Maybe whoever locked it could see a potential argument develop, as although you didn't reference any admin, one person did, and maybe this was a reason to stop it potentially spiralling out of control.
I can understand you wanting to make TDC a better place but you can't improve on perfection
Nah, I jest, we're trying to lay down some new foundational rules so this kind of thing doesn't keep happening.
It is this pre-emptive judgemental policy towards moderation that has got people annoyed. Firstly it has been assumed Chris = Chris Street, secondly it has been assumed that this would spur the conversation into a Circy bashing rant (it was carrying on about socks!). Thirdly, if there are no apparent problems why has the thread not been re-opened?
Even if it is reopened I still want my questions answered. The truth is out there!
There are no more updates to be had thus far. I think we already said that Flava moved Dogzer's stuff to a new account. That way, once his ban is over he'd have an account, but we still don't know how he got deleted in the first place.
No updates unfortunately. I would hate to let this "sink and die" without finding out what has happened - but I'm not sure what else I can do if nobody is owning up to it.
Well, I suppose there is an update. I nuked Dogzers fake account, and worried in the admin forums that there was the potential for all accounts under the same IP to be nuked, but I was assured this was not the case, and that Dogzers main account was deleted prior to this.
So... we still don't know really. But I have to admit I was very worried about the potential of me deleting the account this way and also lost a bit of sleep over it. But it turns out that deleting the fake account has no effect on other accounts.
I think the culprit already saw this thread by now so if he didn't confess then he probably won't confess, ever.
This thread will probably die without us knowing who locked the other thread.
Evening chaps! What have I missed out in my near decade of floating aloof in a bubble not heeding petty drama?
Someone prod me back into the stratosphere!
Originally Posted by Pixelthief Evening chaps! What have I missed out in my near decade of floating aloof in a bubble not heeding petty drama?
Someone prod me back into the stratosphere!
Let me help you with that fellow, perhaps we can try to swap spaces since I got tired of floating the stratosphere.
Originally Posted by Pixelthief Evening chaps! What have I missed out in my near decade of floating aloof in a bubble not heeding petty drama?
Someone prod me back into the stratosphere!
Sod all's changed. You've still got the self-entitled oldies, the camp, Bond villain-esque whinies, the ill-advised stardom seekers and the largely decent, ever-suffering populace wondering whether or not they should even be getting stirred up by it all. We all know that this place is rammed full of talented artists (be it in code, visuals, and everything in between), but sadly many of us fall foul of having the Artist's Personality at times, too.
Some people enjoy this life-sapping, amateur politics nonsense way too much. Shame on them for so easily getting carried away, falling into position and mindlessly impersonating what the rest of the petty, arguing internet is doing too. I happen to believe that the Klik community is much better than that (the Clickteam forums are proof ) and that one rotten egg - not even a rotten egg with (a) almighty admin powers or (b) a genuinely lonely and petty shit stirrer - could do any damage if we didn't let them. All this drama does is justify and exaggerate the problem.
Robert your little "internet politics" line is becoming old now. Infact, its pretty much all you post every couple of months or so. And as for labelling people as "rotten eggs", don't get me started. Past pms prove what an utter hypocrite you're being, and its really quite laughable.
I cant believe someone who contributes so little to the community can be so opinionated at times. Perhaps if you'd ever posted a game or updated your projects, or even showed a real interest, you wouldn't have to flabbergast people with your wonderful grammar skills to keep your foot in the door.
We are not worked up by threads being and locked and members being deleted. We are worked up by being lied to about it when we ask who did it and why. None of us were attacked personally.
As far as self titled oldieness goes, I have been clicking since 1996, been part of the community since 2000 and part of my income comes from making games and teaching TGF2. For me that is reason enough to completely go bats when fishy things are going on in the community. I have been holding back.
Originally Posted by Pixelthief Evening chaps! What have I missed out in my near decade of floating aloof in a bubble not heeding petty drama?
Someone prod me back into the stratosphere!
Didn't you start multiple unban phizzy threads a few years back? Thats hardly not heeding petty drama because if I recall there was a ton of drama in those threads. I salute you for doing it though
Which reminds me, Anonymous deleting has been going on for ages, A few years ago Phizzy requested permission to come back to TDC and Rikus granted it, twice. Within HOURS his account was deleted and all the admins i asked about it shrugged their shoulders over it.
I'm glad It's all out in the open. What we need now is to get to the bottom of it all because it's potentially quite damaging to the community.
The only funny thing about that comic is that that looks nothing like you, Phredreeke. Infact, it really flatters you. I guess thats why you insist on posting them for Nikodemus.
Originally Posted by -Adam- Originally Posted by Phredreeke
The only funny thing about that comic is that that looks nothing like you, Phredreeke. Infact, it really flatters you. I guess thats why you insist on posting them for Nikodemus.
Originally Posted by Pixelthief Evening chaps! What have I missed out in my near decade of floating aloof in a bubble not heeding petty drama?
Someone prod me back into the stratosphere!
Didn't you start multiple unban phizzy threads a few years back? Thats hardly not heeding petty drama because if I recall there was a ton of drama in those threads. I salute you for doing it though
Which reminds me, Anonymous deleting has been going on for ages, A few years ago Phizzy requested permission to come back to TDC and Rikus granted it, twice. Within HOURS his account was deleted and all the admins i asked about it shrugged their shoulders over it.
I'm glad It's all out in the open. What we need now is to get to the bottom of it all because it's potentially quite damaging to the community.
Action was taken. Clubsoft added admin logging since Saturday. All admin activity is logged now, if a forum post gets removed, members deleted, etc everything is logged.
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In an ideal world the logs would be public. However, remember the crapstorm that followed Circy silencing Adam? I don't think any admin would like to be singled out as "the ***hole that silenced me"
- Ok, you must admit that was the most creative cussing this site have ever seen -
then maybe they shouldn't silence it the first place. Actions need to have consequences, and if the community is against what you are doing, then it shouldn't been done. We are this site, not the admins.
Originally Posted by Phredreeke In an ideal world the logs would be public. However, remember the crapstorm that followed Circy silencing Adam? I don't think any admin would like to be singled out as "the ***hole that silenced me"
My only grief when Adam got silenced is that the same rules was not applied when people started cussing him when he was silenced (and I am not singling out Circy here). I just wish the rules would be applied fairly to everyone.
If there is logs I do agree in major actions being public, such as bans, deletions and perhaps lockings, other stuff like moderating swearing I could not really be fussed about .
I've already conceded a few times that the way I handled Adams silencing was wrong, and I did apologise to him via PM about the way I handled the situation.
I wasn't pointing any fingers at you, nor do I think you're an ***hole for what you did. My point was that admins wouldn't want to be put in that position
- Ok, you must admit that was the most creative cussing this site have ever seen -
Well, to make it less complicated, hidden logs would be fine if we trusted this administration. But I am starting to repeat myself, think this is the last thing I say on this subject.
Can't go to the library if the librarian isn't around and the bookcase is locked. I think you're giving [at least me] too much credit in assuming that A) i would think of doing that and B) i would remember that the server did that in the first place.
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I'm going back to the discussion about puzzle games.
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