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youre digging yourself into a hole fano.

"but hacking OS is illegal, because for it you've got seperate contract (OS Licence) and it's not getting into your life it's only about being fair to others. It's like someone would buy your game, and decompile it then do anything what they want with source and for example after some time tried to get income from it, would it be fair against you?"

exploiting the OS in order to load your OWN cfw/HEN onto the HARDWARE is not the same as selling pirated software for profit. the latter begets a profit at the expense of the creator.

This is legal -->> http://www.amazon.com/Datel-Tool-Battery-Slim-Playstation-3/dp/B0013VAEFG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1294744838&sr=8-1


Originally Posted by GamesterXIII

Originally Posted by Ricky
FACTS

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_Directive




stop all this nonsense talking about shit you obviously aren't entirely reading and don't comprehend.

"Under DMCA, a potential user who wants to avail herself of an alleged fair use privilege to crack copy protection (which is not prohibited) would have to do it herself since no equipment would lawfully be marketed for that purpose."

oh wait. whats that? i CAN hack my device? i just have to do it myself?

but just up above there IS equipment (not for the purpose of hacking, but can be used as such) available to crack the device(psp).

Hacking the psp to put custom firmware/Homebrew ENabler, and in turn, homebrew software IS NOT illegal. Using it to circumvent copyright protection on pirated games/software IS. There's a difference.

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11th January, 2011 at 18:29:45 -

Anyone can claim fair use on anything, that doesn't mean its right. 99.999% of the people who hack their devices are doing so illegally. You can't seriously think that every single person that has a hacked PSP etc. is involved in the homebrew scene. . .





 
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Originally Posted by GamesterXIII
Anyone can claim fair use on anything, that doesn't mean its right. 99.999% of the people who hack their devices are doing so illegally. You can't seriously think that every single person that has a hacked PSP etc. is involved in the homebrew scene. . .



Of course not. But are you saying that every PSP homebrewer should stop doing it just because other people are using it for piracy?

How about illegalizing Windows, most people who illegally download music/movies/games do so on a computer running Windows

 
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Originally Posted by GamesterXIII
. You can't seriously think that every single person that has a hacked PSP etc. is involved in the homebrew scene. . .



No one ever said everyone is -_-


Originally Posted by GamesterXIII
99.999% of the people who hack their devices are doing so illegally.



Where did that number come from? It may hurt but try shoving it back in there.

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Originally Posted by PhizzyPhan69

Originally Posted by GamesterXIII
Anyone can claim fair use on anything, that doesn't mean its right. 99.999% of the people who hack their devices are doing so illegally. You can't seriously think that every single person that has a hacked PSP etc. is involved in the homebrew scene. . .



Of course not. But are you saying that every PSP homebrewer should stop doing it just because other people are using it for piracy?

How about illegalizing Windows, most people who illegally download music/movies/games do so on a computer running Windows



I never said that. I never said anyone should stop doing it, I just said that it is illegal in most cases.


@Ricky

Have you ever been involved in communities that are devoted to, or full of people that modify their devices? Almost every single one of them are doing so illegally. Have you even seen a private tracker? I seriously doubt you have, but there are so many things that get released to private trackers days/weeks/months before release dates and there are literally thousands of people that download these things, illegally, and run them on their (quite obviously) illegally "hacked" devices. Guesstimate (derp), but I would say there are tens of thousands of people, perhaps more, with illegally modified devices to every 1 person that is involved in the homebrew scene that has a hacked device.

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12th January, 2011 at 16:41:59 -

By the way guys.

http://geohot.com/?2

This just happened last night. Check out the complaint:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/46739943/Complaint

Damn, thats surprising!!!!!!! Right!?


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12th January, 2011 at 17:10:02 -

My only point is that they had to hack PSP to run they're runner and they didn't make it for themselves, they made it to hype Game Maker which will bring them income before getting official SDK from Sony - and those are their words.

 
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Originally Posted by GamesterXIII
By the way guys.

http://geohot.com/?2

This just happened last night. Check out the complaint:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/46739943/Complaint

Damn, thats surprising!!!!!!! Right!?



Yes, because GeoHot posted Sony's private key on his website, which is arguably intellectual property. (I say arguably, because I'm not sure whether you can consider a number to be intellectual property, and the private key is nothing but a number) I do think it's pretty foolish of him to post the key rather than just post the code used to calculate it and let people do it themselves.

BTW am I the only one who can't actually read the complaint on that site? I just get blank pages.

 
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12th January, 2011 at 17:42:40 -


Originally Posted by GamesterXIII
By the way guys.

http://geohot.com/?2

This just happened last night. Check out the complaint:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/46739943/Complaint

Damn, thats surprising!!!!!!! Right!?



Nope, not surprising at all since he distributed the ps3 private key for signing code, and he didn't even crack it, team fail0verflow did.

The ps3 is pretty much hacked now until sony issues completely new hardware.
Geohot was ok until he released private keys.

Also, this is totally unrelated to the psp.

 
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12th January, 2011 at 19:17:00 -

He started the dirty work. They continued it and he released it.

Originally Posted by urbanmonk

Originally Posted by GamesterXIII
By the way guys.

http://geohot.com/?2

This just happened last night. Check out the complaint:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/46739943/Complaint

Damn, thats surprising!!!!!!! Right!?



Nope, not surprising at all since he distributed the ps3 private key for signing code, and he didn't even crack it, team fail0verflow did.

The ps3 is pretty much hacked now until sony issues completely new hardware.
Geohot was ok until he released private keys.

Also, this is totally unrelated to the psp.



Unrelated to the PSP, but related to the legality of hacking consoles . . .(did you read the thread?)

You can see they're suing him for violating the DMCA amongst other things - exactly what I was arguing about. Hacking your devices (IN THE US - before some idiot spouts up again and says it) is still illegal, regardless of whether or not you get caught.

 
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12th January, 2011 at 19:48:50 -

-_- no it's not. You aren't reading peoples posts

 
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12th January, 2011 at 21:40:30 -

You're an idiot and you've proven this on more than one occasion.

End of discussion.

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12th January, 2011 at 22:05:26 -

Gamester doesn't understand the concept of a lawsuit.

All defendants have violated the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, 18 USC 1030(a)(2)(C) by intentionally accessing one of more PS3 systems - which consist of protected computers used for interstate commerce or communications - without authorization or by exceeding authorized access to the PS3 system, and by obtaining information from the PS3 System.

lol Sony is so full of shit


Originally Posted by GamesterXIII
You're an idiot and you've proven this on more than one occasion.



Nice reasoning there.

Edited by Phredreeke

 
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12th January, 2011 at 22:20:33 -


Originally Posted by PhizzyPhan69
Gamester doesn't understand the concept of a lawsuit.




I was replying to something that was directly stated in this thread, but that apparently no longer exists. I wonder why that is.


 
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Originally Posted by GamesterXIII
You're an idiot and you've proven this on more than one occasion.

End of discussion.



o.k?

Edited by Ricky

 
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