The Daily Click ::. Forums ::. General Chat ::. MMF3 - what do you want
 

Post Reply  Post Oekaki 
 

Posted By Message

alastair john jack

BANNED

Registered
  01/10/2004
Points
  294

GOTW WINNER CUP 1!GOTW WINNER CUP 2!GOTW WINNER CUP 3!VIP MemberMushroomI am an April Fool
28th March, 2010 at 12:36:11 -

There's an a page on Fusion Wiki where you can add ideas and suggestions for MMF3.

http://www.fusionwiki.com/wiki/Multimedia_Fusion_3

Post them on there!

Edited by alastair john jack

 
lol

Fordom

Nordanrikets konung

Registered
  12/02/2009
Points
  190

VIP Member
28th March, 2010 at 13:48:08 -

Variables
Instead of using pre-set variables such as global and alterable value & strings, i'd prefer setting up my own varibles on runtime.

Once
Add Variable 'score' to variable database 'player';

Copying the code

Sometimes you need to post your code on a forum, but you don't want to upload the .mfa.
You should be able to copy all codes from groups as pure text.


Hardware acceleration

We REALLY need this.

Storing events along with actions
So you can insert them in any application later.



 
This forum is full of trolls and disinfo agents.

Hayo

Stone Goose

Registered
  15/08/2002
Points
  6944

Game of the Week WinnerHas Donated, Thank You!VIP MemberGOTM 3RD PLACE! - APRIL 2009Weekly Picture Me This Round 27 Winner!Weekly Picture Me This Round 41 Winner!Weekly Picture Me This Round 45 Winner!
28th March, 2010 at 13:49:53 -

I thought we had hardware acceleration.

 
www.hayovanreek.nl

Jon C-B

I create vaporware

Registered
  23/04/2008
Points
  237

I'm an alien!VIP MemberWii OwnerI donated an open source project Santa Hat
28th March, 2010 at 14:24:39 -

Setting an object to a qualifier in the event editor

 
n/a

W3R3W00F

Drum and Bass Fueled Psycho

Registered
  08/11/2008
Points
  368

VIP MemberCardboard BoxThe Cake is a Lie
28th March, 2010 at 14:40:48 -

Maybe a better path movement system and more alterable values, if anything.

 
n/a

markno2



Registered
  06/06/2006
Points
  865

Game of the Week WinnerVIP MemberPicture Me This Round 30 Winner!Weekly Picture Me This Round 39 Winner!Kliktober Special Award Tag
28th March, 2010 at 15:44:25 -

Backwards compatibility with K&P.

 
Discarded pizza boxes are an indispensable source of cheese.

-MacAdaM-

Megaman Fosho

Registered
  12/02/2008
Points
  560
28th March, 2010 at 15:49:44 -

Better built-in movements for all of the little nooblets! c:

 
Your just jealous that you're not as awesome as me.
(And my megaman avatar )

Hayo

Stone Goose

Registered
  15/08/2002
Points
  6944

Game of the Week WinnerHas Donated, Thank You!VIP MemberGOTM 3RD PLACE! - APRIL 2009Weekly Picture Me This Round 27 Winner!Weekly Picture Me This Round 41 Winner!Weekly Picture Me This Round 45 Winner!
28th March, 2010 at 16:13:27 -

Making amazing games in minutes.

 
www.hayovanreek.nl

Johnny Look

One Happy Dude

Registered
  14/05/2006
Points
  2942

VIP Member
28th March, 2010 at 16:43:15 -

what's the point of being able to set up variables on run time ?
One of the commodities of mmf2 is that you don't have to.

mmf2's only major flaw is that awful, awful object selection.
It's more than enough to break anyone's motivation. Atrox is a good example of that.

Edited by Johnny Look

 
n/a

Strife

Administrator
Der Dairy Crick

Registered
  21/11/2002
Points
  2305

VIP MemberGOTW AWARD! -Astro Dude - part 1 GOTM JULY - 2009 - 3RD PLACE!It's-a me, Mario!Has Donated, Thank You!I donated an open source project
28th March, 2010 at 17:19:46 -

Personally, I'd think it would be nice if you could add qualifiers to global events.

Oh, and you know how you can arrange objects in the frame editor like To Back, To Front, Forward One, etc? It would be handy if there was a "Move To..." option where we could manually type in a number. The overworld map in my FableQuest project has over 23,000 backdrop objects, and it's a pretty huge hassle to rearrange things with To Back and To Front as my only reasonable options.

On that note, some more control over how the backdrops are loaded/rendered would be nice. Only a teeny fraction of my overworld map is ever needed during gameplay, and yet the game seems to want to load all of it, resulting in a noticeably slower loading time than the other frames.

 

Sketchy

Cornwall UK

Registered
  06/11/2004
Points
  1965

VIP MemberWeekly Picture Me This Round 43 Winner!Weekly Picture Me This Round 47 WinnerPicture Me This Round 49 Winner!
28th March, 2010 at 17:49:55 -

As far as object selection goes - yes, it takes a while to learn - but I have yet to hear anyone come up with a better idea of how it could work. If you think you know how it could be improved, I'm sure clickteam would love to here about it.
Just bitching about how you don't like it now isn't going to help anyone though

I already posted my thoughts in this thread: http://www.create-games.com/forum_post.asp?id=269136

These are the two main ones though (seems to be some overlap with Varv's)

1.) An unlimited number of alterable/global "variables" (not separate values and strings), and the ability to define new ones at runtime. Also, "alterable arrays" (arrays which are local to each instance of an object).

2.) To be able to export the event list as a plain text file (and obviously import it again after editing) so I could write events in notepad (or even on my phone), or post the source online more easily when I need help from the community.

Oh yes, and I do NOT want it to be 3d

 
n/a

Johnny Look

One Happy Dude

Registered
  14/05/2006
Points
  2942

VIP Member
28th March, 2010 at 19:15:33 -


Originally Posted by Sketchy
As far as object selection goes - yes, it takes a while to learn - but I have yet to hear anyone come up with a better idea of how it could work. If you think you know how it could be improved, I'm sure clickteam would love to here about it.
Just bitching about how you don't like it now isn't going to help anyone though

I already posted my thoughts in this thread: http://www.create-games.com/forum_post.asp?id=269136

These are the two main ones though (seems to be some overlap with Varv's)

1.) An unlimited number of alterable/global "variables" (not separate values and strings), and the ability to define new ones at runtime. Also, "alterable arrays" (arrays which are local to each instance of an object).

2.) To be able to export the event list as a plain text file (and obviously import it again after editing) so I could write events in notepad (or even on my phone), or post the source online more easily when I need help from the community.

Oh yes, and I do NOT want it to be 3d



Hum..I know how it works, the problem is when things get slightly more complex the object selection system simply breaks.
Try playing my game Atrox Online with over 3 or 4 players at once to see what I'm talking about. You'll come across some odd bugs with clothes being exchanged randomly between characters and in addition you'll see some layering problems.
The problem is definitely caused by MMF2, if I were to show you the code, you'd understand what I'm talking about.


 
n/a

Bugsey



Registered
  14/03/2010
Points
  3

I am an April Fool
28th March, 2010 at 20:22:11 -

It should have more built-in tutorials other than Chocobreak. That way there would be way less problems coming from n00bcakes, and less of a hassle to go look all over the place just to figure out one silly thing.

Edited by Bugsey

 
Image

Xgoff



Registered
  22/02/2009
Points
  135
28th March, 2010 at 20:41:58 -

i would go so far as suggesting breaking most or all backwards-compatibility in the interest of revamping the entire system to be more flexible, removing outdated legacy cruft/bugs/workarounds, and structuring the events system to resemble actual programming flow and with that, hopefully things like "on loop" and other immediate events would actually be efficient

however that wouldn't fly with some people

 
Image

Muz



Registered
  14/02/2002
Points
  6499

VIP MemberI'm on a BoatI am an April FoolHonored Admin Alumnus
29th March, 2010 at 01:55:37 -

I want it to not suck. Really. It's a great tool, but it's just horribly designed.

I want something that lets you make your own functions and variables. something that lets you code instinctively. The object system is not bad. But the expression editor is horrible. MMF2's obviously evolved right from K&P, which never really intended for you to use the expression editor. I want a proper debugger with breakpoints and stuff, although the one with MMF2 is a good start.

I don't want a MMF2 with new features. I want a new MMF, properly made, though it looks like their doing it.

I think the "Make amazing games in minutes" is just what's wrong with it. It's MMF's selling point.. you do make amazing games in a few minutes, but you can't make anything better than that even after hours. I'd compare it to MS Word. It's amazing and everyone can use it for instant benefit. But it's purpose is to sell, and to appear powerful. There's no features to cater to experts, because experts have already bought it and don't need further convincing. Experts have a tougher time squeezing extra power from it.

If they want to be more profitable, they can avoid the "professional MMF" path and go back to TGF. Make the interface nicer and cuter, put more power into the image editor, make built-in movements that work, and basically turn it into something that lets you instantly make a good platformer or top-down game.

 
Disclaimer: Any sarcasm in my posts will not be mentioned as that would ruin the purpose. It is assumed that the reader is intelligent enough to tell the difference between what is sarcasm and what is not.

Image
   

Post Reply



 



Advertisement

Worth A Click