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5th August, 2008 at 19:12:41 -

Just noticed that the download numbers have increased quite a lot recently at TDC if you compare to previous months. Is this due to better games, higher user numbers or new spotlight feature, well maybe all of those, but it's definitely a positive thing and proves that the community is alive at least what comes to downloading.

Take a look at the download list: when was the last time when there have been 7 titles with over 100 downloads among the 30 latest games/apps submitted? We won't probably ever get to know the answer to that, but I guess it's over 3 years ago. So that's not too common.

By the way those titles to exceed 100 downloads in just 4-20 days are:
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5th August, 2008 at 19:17:42 -

I noticed this as well! So much for TDC dying eh? This site will live forever (longer then disco).

 
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5th August, 2008 at 20:00:53 -

You mistook Oddro's 113 downloads with Baby Ghost Engine Release's 62 downloads.

 
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5th August, 2008 at 20:06:27 -

Oops, so it seems.

But still 7 titles inside 30 with over 100.

 
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5th August, 2008 at 20:08:12 -

Just said to one of my teammates how it's funny Bernard & Hank 2 was only downloaded about 100 times after 2 months, and now a small game like Lily got downloaded 100 times after a coupla days. TEH COMMUNITY IS RISING FROM THE DEAD.

 
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It never died.

 
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it was slowing down though.

 
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Indeed.

 
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The predators in the community died because of lack of food, so the little people are overpopulating. Once the number of noobs reach a critical level, overcompetition between noobs will require them to either evolve into actively contributing members or predators, and the excess noobs will allow a re-proliferation of noob-bashing predators (i.e. resurrect TK).

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Well it sure is a nice place here now, I even dare to say like the good old days, but it's friendlier than that.

 
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It will be really interesting to see what impact Peblo's competition will have on the activity of the site. And to see what great games people can come up with.

 
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Originally Posted by Hayo
Well it sure is a nice place here now, I even dare to say like the good old days, but it's friendlier than that.



Yes, there is a TON of meaness in the old threads I've read. People are much nicer now.

 
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6th August, 2008 at 21:55:25 -

yey for nice peoples :]

 
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6th August, 2008 at 23:12:37 -

Awesome the atmosphere has brought out Mkingy welcome back and stuff.

 
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I may even make a cameo

 
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9th August, 2008 at 02:18:56 -

I do feel like it's a bit like the good ol' days. Back when it was OK to post a pong game without getting flamed to tears. Lately, I see the bad games just getting ignored, as they should be

 
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Which makes me very sad. Not the summer part, I don't really enjoy summer anymore, but I'm sad that school is coming back. I go back September 24th. Lucky me, eh?

 

  		
  		

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My main memory of the the 'old days' of TDC were people either flaming n00bs or people flaming those that flamed the n00bs.

I didn't post in the forums much back then, I just made games in a week and hoped people enjoyed them.

 
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I don't think bad games being ignored is a good thing really. Why would starters post anything here if their not gonna get any feedback? I know I shouldn't be talking, I ignore most of the games.

 
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10th August, 2008 at 10:37:10 -


Originally Posted by Hayo
I don't think bad games being ignored is a good thing really. Why would starters post anything here if their not gonna get any feedback? I know I shouldn't be talking, I ignore most of the games.


Because they shouldn't get lots of fan mail for making bad games. Nor should they get flamed for making a bad game. So, the best way would be to get a lot of good comments for a good game and barely a few for a bad game

 
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Maybe, Muz. However, negative feedback shouldn't be confused with criticism. Criticism is directed at the person and doesn't tackle the actual subject, only the person. Negative feedback is tough on the game, not the person, and so can be used to make improvements. Negative feedback is more often than not offered with suggestions for improvements. This then becomes a conversation which, unlike criticism, is two-way and leads to positive outcomes (improvements, new friends, collaborations etc) and this can only be a good thing.

To ignore someone's efforts completely sends out a very negative message: no-body cares. This is similar to being critical and both can be de-motivating and damaging to Clickers.

I have to agree with everyone here though, the community does seem better than ever. I have only been a member for a few months but visited the site off and on for years, and i noticed the difference. As well as many of the offensive members leaving, could the fact that this site is so much more stable be a contribution too? It may be more than a coincidence that the stability of the site and the increase in downloads happened within weeks of each other!

 
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Originally Posted by Mark Radon
Negative feedback is tough on the game, not the person, and so can be used to make improvements.


If that were true, I wouldn't mind it at all. Unfortunately, it almost never works out that way


This then becomes a conversation which, unlike criticism, is two-way and leads to positive outcomes (improvements, new friends, collaborations etc) and this can only be a good thing.


Also a utopian concept. Two-way, true, but hardly ever positive.


Not that I mind criticism, sometimes. I just don't like how it goes. I take the liberty of deleting excessively negative criticism sometimes

 
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Originally Posted by Dr. James
Awesome the atmosphere has brought out Mkingy welcome back and stuff.



haha thanks :]

Certainly is much more pleasent around these parts recently.

 
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Muz, naa I disagree.

I think it is really interesting to help people with something you know a lot about yourself. After I have given some extensive critisism to a game that can be improved, the developer sometimes ask for some more help, and I am happy to share my knowledge of clicking and graphics and such.

When you give someone a piece of code, or concrete examples of what he could make better in a game and why it is better, then it is not at all impossible that this person learn something from this, and is encouraged to keep building on a project.

It's true that there is a friendly atmosphere here now... So, when will the girls start to arrive?

 
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Oh, girls are hard to bring into here. Mainly it's because there's like a thousand guys to one girl, so the ratio scares of the natural instincts of many girls Two conditions need to be met for the less game-fanatical female:
1. Other girls are there too
2. They don't get treated harshly

The first condition is easy enough to meet. For those of you who want to make a fake profile, make a female one. Not that I'd encourage fake profiles, it's just that I can't stop you either way, so at least make yourself useful

 
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12th August, 2008 at 09:47:39 -

Its been a ton better in the past. Compare these two games:
http://www.create-games.com/download.asp?id=4428
http://www.create-games.com/download.asp?id=7154

One is the demo for my game, one is the actual game. The demo, a few years ago, gets more downloads than the ACTUAL game, because TDC was so much more active back then. And it didnt even get as much downloads as a Desktop Poo that I put together in 5 minutes did, despite being some big epic length platformer, because TDC was fairly active with that compo back in the winter holidays

its nice to see TDC pick up after how dead it was acting. Must be all the compos

 
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Good point, but the fact that you put "abandonware" in the title probably dropped the downloads to about a tenth, while a "demo" in the title would make it at about a quarter of full download potential.

 
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Surely it's easy to give a someone with a bad game encouraging comments? Just tell them why their game is bad. Even if it's as simple as telling them to avoid the build in movement at all costs. Just a simple link to a helpful article or engine would be a huge help.
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Originally Posted by Zezard


It's true that there is a friendly atmosphere here now... So, when will the girls start to arrive?



They already did, never heard of Roseweave ?

 
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Girls = plural

 
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Originally Posted by Muz
Oh, girls are hard to bring into here. Mainly it's because there's like a thousand guys to one girl, so the ratio scares of the natural instincts of many girls Two conditions need to be met for the less game-fanatical female:
1. Other girls are there too
2. They don't get treated harshly

The first condition is easy enough to meet. For those of you who want to make a fake profile, make a female one. Not that I'd encourage fake profiles, it's just that I can't stop you either way, so at least make yourself useful



1:1000? Where did you get that statistic? It'd be more like a 1 to 30,000 (or however many members there are)... =P

 
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There was that girl that made all that 3D stuff.. I can't remember her name.

 
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Female gamers are one of the most rapidly growing segments in gaming. But then again, game making is totally another thing and obviously 99.9% boys stuff, no questions about that. But if TDC would like to get more girls to join, the best solution would be to open up a Vitalized/Java browser game section, which would feature e.g. small puzzle games and other casual content with some social elements.

At MJK Games forum, the Male to Female ratio is actually 1.8:1, so in every three members there are more than one female. Though the total number of members is only around 300 (had to wipe out 1000 accounts because of a forum provider change, yay).

 
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All the girls are currently on face book or myspace.

 
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Daily Click World might encourage more females. Wouldn't be such a jump from facebook/myspace/msn i guess.

 
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And adams graphics have a pretty major feminine touch to them lol.

 
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Originally Posted by -Codemonkey-
And adams graphics have a pretty major feminine touch to them lol.


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And adams graphics have a pretty major feminine touch to them lol.


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Well, there was one time when it was around one in 10 klikers were female, guess it got a lot worse. I think some time like 4 years ago, you could get flamed for even mentioning "female klikers" just like the flammable word these days is "Construct" 1 in 200 is close if you want to count Roseweave, Tina Petersen, Adam, and a bunch of the other noobs who are hiding their gender. There's obviously a lot more female members but a lot of them are only posting links or comments.

Yeah, more girls are getting into games. I'd like to see a few of them get into making games though. Girls seem to go more into non-technical parts like webcomics and graphics.

 
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I blame all of the increase on me downloading all of the top 50 games.

 
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I'm finding the increase in activity just a little annoying... since I've got to update GOTW and pick out which ones are worthy :/

 
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