So I'm following the trend and I'm leaving TDC. It was nice first, but it is quite unpleasant to visit.
I'm listing the top 5 reasons, some of them can be still fixed, some can not. Hopefully some will be changed for the good.
Reason Number 1: Probably the most common reason to leave TDC. The good old friendly members just stop visiting and unfriendly and rude people are slowly taking over the site. They've even made Phizzy leave, something that 20 bans could not do.
Reason Number 2: The admins are too nice, and unnatural. The warning system isn't used as it should be, and judging by the number of offenses some members have done they should have been banned ages ago. Moreover, admins warn members they like more less frequently. DavidN was one of the best admins in this site and has kept TDC with a minimal level of sanity, but now he has left. Why? See reason above.
Reason Number 3: Financially and technically, TDC has no chance to survive. TDc has recently got a brand new server recently, which is a great improvement over the older one, but, TDC will not be able to afford such a server for long. There are quite a lot of donations now, but how long will that keep? In a month or two people will slowly stop donating, and the only choice would be to go back to a "Service Unavailable"-style server.
Reason Number 4: Members' respect is gained by their opinions and not by their games and contributes to TDC and Click in general. I'd take myself as the perfect example here. I've done much, MUCH to Click and TDC specifically. Be it visible such as my extensions, my free web services, helping people in the support forums of TDC and Clickteam or behind the seance like helping with testing new features on TDC or reporting bugs and security holes (I've reported one just this week), my respect is determined by my (Some would say extreme) opinions on topics such as Scirra, Microsoft, IE and such. Which leads me to the last reason.
Reason Number 5: The increasing support of Scirra in TDC. Personally, as someone who knows the truth behind everything in this case (And those who don't believe me, bite me), I can not stand the increasing support of an illegal, dirty product like Construct over TDC, both administative and member-wise. Considering Construct as Click or a Click Product is even offensive.
These reasons are not pointed to any specific member, but there's obviously 2 or 3 members that are very noticeable for making this reasons true. I will not mention names though, for the sake of making this post natural-sided.
So this is my final goodbye to TDC.
Bye everyone.
Edit: I'm sorry if anyone takes this post offensive, especially Clubsoft and Flava who have worked hard to make TDC better, but failed and not of their own fault.
Sorry to see you leave. I certainly understand some of the points you've made, and I can only say that the admins and myself will try our best to make the DC a better place. Hope you decide to come back some time in the future
More people leaving
But he does have some good points.
Sometimes things get REALLY out of hand!
When those things happen, sometimes admins don't do much about it.
I mean don't get me wrong, that is a rare case that the admins do nothing.
Sometimes they do come a little late though.
Your just jealous that you're not as awesome as me.
(And my megaman avatar )
I can't help thinking this is actually about LIJI getting a warning or something petty.
However correct some of those points may seem to me, you really don't help yourself LIJI. You provoke and attack just as much as anyone else on this site, thus the majority of your reasoning as to why you're leaving is completely hypocritical.
"The good old friendly members just stop visiting and unfriendly and rude people are slowly taking over the site."
Like the one that called my mother a "whore" in a PM, for no reason whatsoever?
Yes, you're intelligent, sometimes helpful and can code extensions, but you can't take things with a pinch of salt. If someone says they like Microsoft, you call them a retard. Not on
"Reason Number 4: Members' respect is gained by their opinions and not by their games and contributes to TDC and Click in general."
Sorry, but personality and attitude comes before produce. I can make a nice looking game, yet people wont like me any more than before than they do at the moment, probably because I can be a bastard.
Originally Posted by LIJI "If someone says they like Microsoft, you call them a retard"
Completely untrue. Show an example?
LOL I showed it to Clubsoft about a week ago and he deleted your post.
Anyway, I'm sick of these stupid "GOODBYE IM LEAVING" topics, So far Noodle's the only one to actually have left. And that was your fault, if I'm not mistaken.
Sorry but Dc has this thing were you think you want to leave, you post a post on forums that your leaving and you do actually leave butttt..
You can't help yourself peaking in after a couple of days just to see whats going on, only a couple of people have managed to stay away and maybe they are still peaking in as a guest (shadowcaster and pete, we miss ya!)
So if you feel you should leave right now go for it but do drop in from time to time, things keep on changing around this site on a "daily" basis. And look at all the great things going on at the site, me and club will never let this site perish no way, hehehe and clickteam with the mobile stuff and mmf 3d in the far fguture how would you not want to be here for that?
Anyway Liji good luck but keep droppin in k?
Be sure to follow us on the twitters for the latest and greatest: @dailyclick
"The good old friendly members just stop visiting and unfriendly and rude people are slowly taking over the site. They've even made Phizzy leave, something that 20 bans could not do."
you can be just as unfriendly and rude as the next guy. so can i and so can anyone else. most of whom i would consider unfriendly people have been here as long or longer than most of the friendly ones.
"The admins are too nice, and unnatural."
oh so you want admins like on acoders where they ban YOU for being personally attacked by one of THEIR members? or some sites where you get banned for seemingly NO reason? theyre just fair. i'll take tdc admins over any others any day.
"Financially and technically, TDC has no chance to survive. TDc has recently got a brand new server recently, which is a great improvement over the older one, but, TDC will not be able to afford such a server for long. There are quite a lot of donations now, but how long will that keep? In a month or two people will slowly stop donating, and the only choice would be to go back to a "Service Unavailable"-style server. "
if it has to go back to "service unavailable" for a time being then so be it. but i agree with rikus. they will do anything in their power as long as click is alive to keep this site alive as well. its the last of its kind, and the only one that matters anymore.
"Members' respect is gained by their opinions and not by their games and contributes to TDC and Click in general."
sorry pal but i agree with adam on this one. attitude and personality before produce. if someone found the cure for cancer but beleived eating babies was okay, would they have your respect?
"The increasing support of Scirra in TDC. Personally, as someone who knows the truth behind everything in this case (And those who don't believe me, bite me), I can not stand the increasing support of an illegal, dirty product like Construct over TDC, both administative and member-wise. Considering Construct as Click or a Click Product is even offensive."
i have still yet to see you even remotely come close to showing any kind of rational argument or considerable evidence of this being the slightest bit true. so consider yourself bitten.
im sorry to say this but sometimes i feel the admins' sincerity about being sorry about some people leaving is fake. i mean phizzy was banned how many times? and when he is unbanned he decides to leave? and flava says "Sorry to see you go, hope you decide to stay."? i dont know if he was for or against the phizzy bans so maybe he was truly sorry.
im sorry youre leaving, but in all sincerity im not going to miss you.
Haha! I was "turned down" from the Acoders for being too aggressive yet they're using some of my library graphics in one of their games
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Originally Posted by -Codemonkey- Why do people start these threads? If you hate TDC that much, just leave.
Drama, and hope to make a radical change by DRASTIC MEASURES(!).
TDC goes through changes constantly. Wishing for things to be like they used to be will be impossible, so if you're losing friends, then go make new ones! It's not really TDC's fault. Admins are too used to their jobs and to the crap that people pull around here. You can't BAN everyone.
Maybe 200-300 years down the road people will find your work and will show it in museums! There's hope!
"Isn't it always amazing how we characterize a person's intelligence by how closely their thinking matches ours?"
~Belgarath
When people make a thread like this it's usually a way of screaming: "HEY! I feel like I've just gotten treated like CRAP! Does anyone on this site even care anymore?!?!?"
When a person makes a goodbye post, it's usually a sign that the person DOES still care, but just feels like the "relationship" with the community has been hurt by something, or in this case many things. People don't actually LEAVE the community until they reach a point where they don't need to make a "goodbye" post anymore. Goodbye threads are like little breakups leading to the big breakup, and the big breakup happens without incident, without drama, without a thread announcing it.
LIJI, I agree with some of your points. But you probably don't need (or want) to leave the community completely, but maybe you should change the way you look at it. If things at the DC are really bothering you, maybe it's just time to step back and get a fresh outlook on things. It's actually probably a sign that it's time for the DC to be a much smaller part of your life. I check the DC now maybe once or twice a day. I used to check it all day long. Sometimes people just slowly grow out of things.
Originally Posted by Random Cecil "The increasing support of Scirra in TDC. Personally, as someone who knows the truth behind everything in this case (And those who don't believe me, bite me), I can not stand the increasing support of an illegal, dirty product like Construct over TDC, both administative and member-wise. Considering Construct as Click or a Click Product is even offensive."
i have still yet to see you even remotely come close to showing any kind of rational argument or considerable evidence of this being the slightest bit true. so consider yourself bitten.
It was something about Ashley breaking the NDA he was bound to as a betatester for Clickteam. But I agree that LIJI can be a bit overzealous about Scirra and Construct, although some of the things he did amused me quite a bit. (not the forum drama, but things outside TDC)
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Well Kids do have a slightly more black and white view on the world. If Liji decided that whatever activities Scirra have done is wrong then the whole concept of construct is tainted.
The fact that the rest of us haven't condemned them in the same way as he has means we actually support them. (in his mind) There is no grey area here. If we use construct we are promoting illegal activities.
Let Me get this straight, did you post this so that people would beg u to stay, or did u post this cause u got a warning or one of ur "great programs" didn't get posted for the homepage or what!
Look, you have posted some enteresting things on here, but no one is going to beg u to stay.
You'll both be back TDC is too addictive! Frustrations aside in regards to arguments and Scirra, you are one talented guy. It would be a shame to lose you. But if you really feel strongly about TDC at the moment, resist the urge to pop back every couple of minutes
Originally Posted by Chris Street LIJI: Active - 2 Minutes and 36 seconds ago.
PHIZZY: 138 hours (approximately over a week)
You'll both be back TDC is too addictive! Frustrations aside in regards to arguments and Scirra, you are one talented guy. It would be a shame to lose you. But if you really feel strongly about TDC at the moment, resist the urge to pop back every couple of minutes
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If you come, I will see you LIJI. >_> <_<
You can log off any time you like, but you can't ever leave.
-Dark Martin- The dark is most certainly not your friend
1) Adam, I called him retarded purely because his post "lol microsoft are awesome " in a quite serious topic.
2) Codemonkey, no, I do not hate TDC. I hate the way it's handled.
3) Rikus, I'll still keep visiting TDC once in a while, as it is a mainstream website in the click community. I won't be an active member though.
4) "oh so you want admins like on acoders where they ban YOU for being personally attacked by one of THEIR members? or some sites where you get banned for seemingly NO reason? theyre just fair. i'll take tdc admins over any others any day. " - That's not what I meant. I meant that the administration should be a little harsher than 4chan's /b/.
5) "sorry pal but i agree with adam on this one. attitude and personality before produce. if someone found the cure for cancer but beleived eating babies was okay, would they have your respect?" Again, I'm not talking about attitude and personality but opinions. And you can't compare hating Microsoft to thinking eating babies is OK.
6) For all members wondering, I didn't not make this topic to make people sorry and show how bad was I treated, but to help the members and the admins see where were they wrong and maybe in a year or two TDC will be different.
7) Shroomlock, I disagree with you. Leaving the community all of the sudden without saying anything will just feel wrong, as some of the members haven't done anything wrong.
To clear it up, I'm not leaving the click community or stop clicking. I only leave this very specific community site.
9) James, Noodle is not the only member left. See DavidN, Phizzy, Pete and other many members. Some of them made a "trendy" goodbye post like this. And anyway, this line was humorous so people won't take it so hard.
10) Andy, what if Construct was Marijuana? It's roughly comparable, and then your post would make no sense. If you use marijuana you do in fact support illegal activities. If you pirate software, you do in fact supprot illegal activities. Same goes to using Construct.
11) Xavi, you're talking complete crap, seriously. My programs are popular enough without TDC, and I haven't submitted one lately anyway.
12) Adam and Xavi, I did recently receive a temporary warning lately, but I made sure the admin will know that it is not his fault that I'm leaving and I've made this decision before the warning.
If anyway wants to contact me, I'm available at Clickteam's forums, Gwerdy Chat, AIM (LIJI2004), GTalk (LIJI32@gmail.com) and MSN (LIJI@hotmail.co.il).
Again, this is my final post. Do not post anything if you want me to reply to it, or anything argumentative because I won't reply.
It's unfortunate that really theres little anything anyone can do about TDC because as long as their are rules that don't tie the website down to a dictatorship that no one wants to be apart of, you'll always have immature people seeking to ride the fine line of what's right and wrong, which always sparks debates and arguments, which split the community up.
It's kind of sad to think that such a small site is suffering from the same exact problem that the whole world is, but yet much larger websites are capable of sustaining themselves without being as strict.
Originally Posted by OldManClayton BrandonC, didn't you post a goodbye topic not too long ago? Farewell, LIJI! I'd say see ya on Gwerdy, but I don't go there anymore.
I did, but a few people made some really good points as to what I was doing to contribute to how I was treated. I still think Adams a tard, but I'm willing to change my attitude and see how it effects the site. So far my results are pretty positive, so I've decided to stay for now.
Edit: That and this place is unfortunately a bit unnaturally addictive as Rikus clearly pointed out.
9) James, Noodle is not the only member left. See DavidN, Phizzy, Pete and other many members. Some of them made a "trendy" goodbye post like this. And anyway, this line was humorous so people won't take it so hard.
DavidN has a proper life now so that's okay, Pete was an ex-admin. I wouldn't come back here after giving up admin-ship. It'd be like being a copper in prison and Phizzy didn't leave, check the E3 Megaton thread.
And didn't David and Pete leave quite a long time ago?
Sorry Liji, my post makes perfect sense. Smoking marijuana doesn't make someone pro drugs trade.
Likewise if someone buys mmf2, does that make all of them click zealots?
buying a product doesnt turn everyone into a fanboy/fangirl.
Seeya LIJI. Good luck with whatever you end up doing next. You're doing the right thing if this isn't fun for you anymore. Could've done without the rant, though - you'll only feel compelled to defend yourself against the counter arguments.
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I can't really miss you guys until you leave.
"Isn't it always amazing how we characterize a person's intelligence by how closely their thinking matches ours?"
~Belgarath
[quote]Reason Number 5: The increasing support of Scirra in TDC. Personally, as someone who knows the truth behind everything in this case (And those who don't believe me, bite me), I can not stand the increasing support of an illegal, dirty product like Construct over TDC, both administative and member-wise. Considering Construct as Click or a Click Product is even offensive. [/quote]
Its not comparable, its a shitload better. Go Construct woooo!
Ya, there's never been a Dave Lobacz in my family Unfortunately, LIJI's pathetic excuse for an imagination lets him down when it comes to fake accounts.
I have my doubts it's LIJI this time. Think about it, it might be phizzy, and he knows everyone will think it's liji. On the other hand could phizzy program this?
You can log off any time you like, but you can't ever leave.
Well LIJI pm'd me saying it wasn't him, which would take a lot as we hate each other. Also strange that Phizzy would turn up in clickteam chat asking about it when he's hardly ever in there But Ill keep open minded about it. TBH it's a pretty pathetic attempt at trying to get me into crap.
LIJI says he did not hack (or more like attempt to hack) Scirra's website. Ashley removed the posts hinting it was LIJI after he warned him of defamation. He also says that if he wanted to hack Scirra he would have already done it ages ago again and again because of Scirra's limited security.
- Ok, you must admit that was the most creative cussing this site have ever seen -
Havn't been on this site for a long time. When I was Phizzy was the best poster and was very helpful to me as was a certain Mr S. Have they both moved on???
to start press any key ...... where's the ANY KEY??
Now, don't kill me everyone. I don't think LIJI's as bad as you all make him out to be. I don't know if it's from years of bombardment by various internet idiots (we all get a little cynical from that. ) or what, but if you just don't antagonize him he behaves. He was always nice to me. Phizzy also was like this! Why do people get so offended with each other? Just cool your jets and maybe you'll realize someone isn't so bad as you thought.
The problem LIJI has right now is much like the 'Boy Who Cried Wolf' scenario.
Maybe he's not the one who did this, but he already has a well-established reputation as a hacker, some of which in relation to Scirra I believe (someone correct me if that's wrong), and for that reason people assume it's him every time.
He has only his own behaviour to thank for that.
EDIT: Just a note: I'm not actually supporting Scirra now. I don't want this post to look like I am. But I think the whole idea of committing a criminal offence (hacking) to get back at people you think committed a criminal offence is the most petty and hypocritical response anyone could make.
I think people should stop going on about who they're supporting now, and make games. I doubt many people will care who supports who, so long as nice games are made. It's just a never ending debate like the console wars and even I want a new subject to fight over
Originally Posted by -Codemonkey- I have my doubts it's LIJI this time. Think about it, it might be phizzy, and he knows everyone will think it's liji. On the other hand could phizzy program this?
I could, but I wouldn't. I'm smart, unlike someone we know...
Originally Posted by -Adam- Ya, there's never been a Dave Lobacz in my family
Come on, don't bullshit me. Let me talk to your mother, please.
- Ok, you must admit that was the most creative cussing this site have ever seen -
Originally Posted by -Adam- Ya, there's never been a Dave Lobacz in my family Unfortunately, LIJI's pathetic excuse for an imagination lets him down when it comes to fake accounts.
OK i know this post is dead, but this is the first time ive read this post before i made that comment, and if I offended u i'm srry... I just got the impression you were feeling discouraged or something so u dicided to post this to make people say that they worship u but I realize now that is wrong. So srry.
1 - This is the internet. although you are right about admins being responsible for behaviour around here, I think you should just play allong whith whattever anyone sais, you cannot take it too seriously. specially this being a COMMUNITY from which we, members, interact with the "admins" just like with everyone else and them with us. Just be cool about it.
2 - As long as few of us remain loyal to this community, it will NOT die.
3 - I'm sorry to see a "click reference" leave this place after so long for those five stupid reason which you CAN overcome. but as I've said, those who remain loyal will stay and make it a better place, allways. If you are not loyal anymore, then I guess I just gotta farewell you, and wish you most of luck.
See ya LIGI.
allthebest
Nathan
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hes just butthurt that people aren't discriminating wildly against tigerworks and construct like they used to be. LIJI's got his own vendetta, but lets face it, hes the one who tried to steal peoples passwords on his site, while ashley is the one who I've been programming with back when I was like 10.
I do hope they get a good headway on construct though, we could use the new blood it will bring- this place lost a little cheer when Phizzy stopped posting
Hmm yeah, there is a lot of these I'm leaving threads popping up now. I must admit that I've always found some people on TDC rather unpleasant, but there are some really good guys on here. If there are people that you really dislike though, it is really easy to ignore someone over the internet.
I disagree with what you said about the admins though. Judging from the two that I have had most contact with (Rikus, Flava) I'd say they do an awesome job!
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TDC is too addictive! Frustrations aside in regards to arguments and Scirra, you are one talented guy. It would be a shame to lose you. But if you really feel strongly about TDC at the moment, resist the urge to pop back every couple of minutes 
