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Originally Posted by Phredreeke

Originally Posted by BrandonC
A ton of people told me I was wrong when I reviewed Smiley House. It's all a matter of voicing your opinion and giving out critique. Besides, you completely neglected to notice that I mentioned you'd be giving thumbs up or down to parts of a review, and then explaining why, if you decide to give it a thumbs down.

It sounds like a decent system, but if you're not going to look at all aspects of mine (or any) suggestion(s), and still put it down, then I don't see much why your opinion matters to begin with.



Yes. You rate parts of each review instead of just the whole thing. That doesn't stop anyone from rating every part of the review because the reviewer has a different opinion.



That's why you don't actually effect an overall review rating. You're just giving it a thumbs up or thumbs down, there's no average. It's just 1 review, being bombarded with a bunch of opinions. It's by no means an embarrassment system, but a way to enforce that everyone has an opinion on a game. All of this is stuff that both potential downloaders can view, and game designers can benefit from.

 
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20th July, 2008 at 03:19:05 -


Originally Posted by BrandonC
That's why you don't actually effect an overall review rating. You're just giving it a thumbs up or thumbs down, there's no average. It's just 1 review, being bombarded with a bunch of opinions. It's by no means an embarrassment system, but a way to enforce that everyone has an opinion on a game. All of this is stuff that both potential downloaders can view, and game designers can benefit from.



A way to enforce that everyone has an opinion on a game? More like a way to enforce that everyone has opinions on a review of the game. Write a review or just post a comment to the game. But why bother commenting on OTHERS OPINIONS on the game.

 
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20th July, 2008 at 04:05:47 -


Originally Posted by Phredreeke

Originally Posted by BrandonC
That's why you don't actually effect an overall review rating. You're just giving it a thumbs up or thumbs down, there's no average. It's just 1 review, being bombarded with a bunch of opinions. It's by no means an embarrassment system, but a way to enforce that everyone has an opinion on a game. All of this is stuff that both potential downloaders can view, and game designers can benefit from.



A way to enforce that everyone has an opinion on a game? More like a way to enforce that everyone has opinions on a review of the game. Write a review or just post a comment to the game. But why bother commenting on OTHERS OPINIONS on the game.



Seems to be working pretty well on sites like Youtube, Gamespot, and many other sites.

Look, it's a method to enforce that everyone has an opinion on a game, because sometimes commenting the critique of others rather then the product directly, gives more unique feedback. It allows people to respond better to what others are saying.

Rather then fighting my idea, how about actually thinking about it. I mean, by how you're attacking this idea, you're making it sound like everything needs to have a full fledged, logical excuse to exist. Why can't you implicate something simple like this, without making a big deal out of it. Not that I want to bring personal attacks into this, but I feel almost like you're afraid of getting bad feedback on reviews if in the future, you decide to contribute some. I think this idea, though not exactly mine, is a good compromise between Adams and Shroomlocks idea's. Trust me, if I was as hot tempered as people claim I am on this site, it's because of negative feedback like this. I think it's more then worth a shot, and it's not like anything is permanent.

 
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20th July, 2008 at 15:37:03 -


Originally Posted by BrandonC
Seems to be working pretty well on sites like Youtube, Gamespot, and many other sites.



There's a difference... On YouTube a popular video could have hundreds of comments. On the other hand, it is rare for a game here to get even five reviews, and many games don't even have a single review.

 
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20th July, 2008 at 19:19:03 -


Originally Posted by Phredreeke

Originally Posted by BrandonC
Seems to be working pretty well on sites like Youtube, Gamespot, and many other sites.



There's a difference... On YouTube a popular video could have hundreds of comments. On the other hand, it is rare for a game here to get even five reviews, and many games don't even have a single review.



Doesn't mean people can't have an opinion on something someone else said.

People have a lot more constructive opinions based on what other people said, rather then going through the stress of thinking something all by themselves.

 
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20th July, 2008 at 20:51:53 -

This site is welcome to add stars, thumbs and cowbells to each review from this day forward. It's not about who's right or wrong. I'm just letting you know that the few people who take their time to write reviews aren't going to do so anymore if the opinion they're expressing isn't respected by the site anymore.

If a review actually counted for something, then I would understand holding them up to more criticism. But right now a full review actually counts for LESS than a simple star-rating in the comments section, so why create a system to judge the opinion in a review, when expressing that opinion was the only incentive to write one? There's no reward, no gain, no consequence for the reviewer or the author. All there is, is the opinion. If that opinion no longer matters, then there's simply no reason to write a review. It's easier to just leave a comment. The review system is already barely there and barely relevant. If you add something like this, something that degrades the opinion of the reviewer, it will push the review system even farther into obscurity.

Here's what would happen- People would start writing mini-reviews in the comments section instead of writing full reviews. That's what most people do already, and implementing this system would push the rest of us into doing that as well.

 
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20th July, 2008 at 21:15:49 -

Surely the current option to comment on a review is good enough?

 
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20th July, 2008 at 22:06:35 -

The reviews ratings would be more or less like article ratings. It's obvious when someone has taken effort, thought, and time into an review, just like an article. Even if someone disagrees with an article, he can still tell that it is well writen/presented, and wasn't just thrown together. I say thumbs up for review thumbs up/down! /

 
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20th July, 2008 at 22:16:44 -


Originally Posted by -Codemonkey-
The reviews ratings would be more or less like article ratings. It's obvious when someone has taken effort, thought, and time into an review, just like an article. Even if someone disagrees with an article, he can still tell that it is well writen/presented, and wasn't just thrown together. I say thumbs up for review thumbs up/down! /



That's a nice thought BUT most people don't work that way. People will put on well-written reviews that they disagree with. Sorry if I'm cynical but that's the way it works!

 
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20th July, 2008 at 22:52:08 -


Originally Posted by Phredreeke

Originally Posted by -Codemonkey-
The reviews ratings would be more or less like article ratings. It's obvious when someone has taken effort, thought, and time into an review, just like an article. Even if someone disagrees with an article, he can still tell that it is well writen/presented, and wasn't just thrown together. I say thumbs up for review thumbs up/down! /



That's a nice thought BUT most people don't work that way. People will put on well-written reviews that they disagree with. Sorry if I'm cynical but that's the way it works!



Well then let them disagree, I'm sure the writer of the article will understand that if he does a review, people are going to disagree. MOST people, won't give a comment like "Are you kidding this game deserves a -1!" The download comments seems to be pretty fair, and I think the reivews will too. If someone goes crazy in the downloads, people make get upset/mad/laugh at till he crys. The reivews will be just like the downloads imo, it will be fair enough.

 
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Discussion over clicking on a click website is already bare as it is. The comment system on giving an opinion on someone elses opinion is a good way to up the amount of discussion on the one thing we all have in common here. I seem to think that everyone who's denying this idea, is under the impression that reviews will get some sort of average rating like: 35% of people like this review.. which would of course be unmotivated for someone who put time and effort into something he clearly did not have to do.

However, consider that a lot of times, people who review stuff and truly put their heart filled opinion into a review, aren't doing it because they only care about contributing, but because they actually want to make their opinion heard in a little more then a petty comment. And as such, a blend of opinions and debates around someones review would inspire better games or more interesting discussions.

I mean, using your theory Pred, no one needs to make games, no one needs to write articles, no one needs to do absolutely anything on this whole site, because there's no reward for it, nor is there any benefit when people are giving you bad ratings and nasty comments on what you worked hard on. Face it, based entirely on what you're saying, your indirectly suggesting we take ratings off of everything, because no one here has any motivation other then contributing.. which really, isn't the case. And if it is, shame on us.

 
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21st July, 2008 at 17:54:01 -


Originally Posted by BrandonC
Discussion over clicking on a click website is already bare as it is. The comment system on giving an opinion on someone elses opinion is a good way to up the amount of discussion on the one thing we all have in common here. I seem to think that everyone who's denying this idea, is under the impression that reviews will get some sort of average rating like: 35% of people like this review.. which would of course be unmotivated for someone who put time and effort into something he clearly did not have to do.

However, consider that a lot of times, people who review stuff and truly put their heart filled opinion into a review, aren't doing it because they only care about contributing, but because they actually want to make their opinion heard in a little more then a petty comment. And as such, a blend of opinions and debates around someones review would inspire better games or more interesting discussions.

I mean, using your theory Pred, no one needs to make games, no one needs to write articles, no one needs to do absolutely anything on this whole site, because there's no reward for it, nor is there any benefit when people are giving you bad ratings and nasty comments on what you worked hard on. Face it, based entirely on what you're saying, your indirectly suggesting we take ratings off of everything, because no one here has any motivation other then contributing.. which really, isn't the case. And if it is, shame on us.



I never said there shouldn't be ratings for games or articles. If you want to debate a game then fine, but debate someone's review of it? We could have a "Is this review helpful?" rating, but there's no need for it as most games don't have that many reviews to begin with.

Besides... We wouldn't be encouraging discussion, we would just be spreading it around the site. If people discuss the game on the game's page then that's fine, but if a game has five reviews, then you would have to click through five different reviews seeing if someone replied to one of them.

Besides, we already have a feature to comment on people's reviews

 
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21st July, 2008 at 19:16:32 -


Originally Posted by Phredreeke

Originally Posted by BrandonC
Discussion over clicking on a click website is already bare as it is. The comment system on giving an opinion on someone elses opinion is a good way to up the amount of discussion on the one thing we all have in common here. I seem to think that everyone who's denying this idea, is under the impression that reviews will get some sort of average rating like: 35% of people like this review.. which would of course be unmotivated for someone who put time and effort into something he clearly did not have to do.

However, consider that a lot of times, people who review stuff and truly put their heart filled opinion into a review, aren't doing it because they only care about contributing, but because they actually want to make their opinion heard in a little more then a petty comment. And as such, a blend of opinions and debates around someones review would inspire better games or more interesting discussions.

I mean, using your theory Pred, no one needs to make games, no one needs to write articles, no one needs to do absolutely anything on this whole site, because there's no reward for it, nor is there any benefit when people are giving you bad ratings and nasty comments on what you worked hard on. Face it, based entirely on what you're saying, your indirectly suggesting we take ratings off of everything, because no one here has any motivation other then contributing.. which really, isn't the case. And if it is, shame on us.



I never said there shouldn't be ratings for games or articles. If you want to debate a game then fine, but debate someone's review of it? We could have a "Is this review helpful?" rating, but there's no need for it as most games don't have that many reviews to begin with.

Besides... We wouldn't be encouraging discussion, we would just be spreading it around the site. If people discuss the game on the game's page then that's fine, but if a game has five reviews, then you would have to click through five different reviews seeing if someone replied to one of them.

Besides, we already have a feature to comment on people's reviews



You're right.

 
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