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Im upgrading to vista this weekend or next week. Whenever my new processor arrives anyways. I was wondering if MMF2 will work on vista? Will MMF1 work on vista?

 
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MMF2 works fine on VIsta, but MMF1 doesn't.

 
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You should probably hold off on that for now.

 
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i would suggest you hold of upgrading for now. Back when Windows XP was new, it was pretty crappy and most people i know stuck to Windows 2000. Then came the service packs and XP started being more useful, and as it is now - a great OS. But like XP, Vista now has no service packs so it still has a lot of errors. There is, for example, a huge amount of programs that simply don't work in Vista. I would wait until SP1/2 comes out. That's what i'm going to do anyway

 
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a great OS.


Well, a functional and user-friendly OS, at least.

 
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So it turns out cuz my dad is a lecturer we have some special family pack Vista edition thingy. Gonna give this a shot myself! Dunno why either. I suppose it'll give me something to complain about.

 
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The ONLY bad thing about Vista at the moment is the lack of drivers from manufacturers.

MMF1 + 2 works fine for me, there should be any reason for it not to for anyone else either.

 
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Good! Apple's bootcamp drivers cover everything for me, just doing a big backup (6 hours remain curse you USB2).

I'm hoping Vista fixes the looping sound crash on HL2 games. It's pretty much the reason why I'm upgrading.

 
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Ive only had a few problems with Vista so far. The most recent was only a few days ago when it refused to let me move a file on my desktop into a folder on my desktop because it required permission.
Something ive done millions of times before.

 
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Originally Posted by SilverNova / Tim
The ONLY bad thing about Vista at the moment is the lack of drivers from manufacturers.



The ONLY bad thing about Vista is the fact that you actually have to ask on TDC whether a piece of software will work on it or not.

 
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I would never recommend upgrading to a new OS. Vista is fine if you are buying a new PC but might run slow on older hardware.

 
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You've only ever used Windows haven't you ^^

 
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stop bashing microsoft, they do good things and bad things, but vista is great, as long as you have decent hardware.

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Originally Posted by Johnny Look
stop bashing microsoft, they do good things and bad things, but vista is great, as long as you have decent hardware.



I agree, Microsoft nor Windows Vista are bad, and it's getting annoying to constantly hear people say they are.

Microsoft, like any other company, is trying to get money. Get over it! Their software is not bad and it works fine granted you're not an idiot. The only problem with Windows Vista, like Windows XP and Windows ME, is that they haven't exactly learned their lesson! Vista needs a service pack, the service pack should completely fix it up. It worked for Windows XP, and now I think anyone who isn't a Mac fanboy can agree that it's one of the best personal operating systems to date.

PS: Trust me, I have my dislikes about Microsoft, but who doesn't. I'm just saying that Vista is just another XP not ME.

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Negative press, slow launch, initially problematic, filler before the next "big" update... Vista has been compared to ME so many times but it's up to SP1 to see if it sticks.

My installation is almost complete. I'll be able to whip up a lovely mini review once IT Crowd has finished!

I'm a Mac and Windows fanboy (LOL wrap your brain around that Brandon) and even I fail this "one of the best personal operating systems to date".

heh, it still says "may take several hours to complete installation" even though the bar is almost at the end. Marvellous timing.

 
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Okay so MMF2 won't open. The splash screen pops up with some jazzy text. Then it just goes off without any error message or out. Steam won't open at all. w00t for Vista... What a waste of an afternoon this has been.



 
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=/ People actually pay money for things that don't work?

I guess it's not my money.

 
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I'm on Vista Ultimate and Steam and MMF2 are working grand-like.


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Originally Posted by Dr. James
Okay so MMF2 won't open. The splash screen pops up with some jazzy text. Then it just goes off without any error message or out. Steam won't open at all. w00t for Vista... What a waste of an afternoon this has been.




Very quick to blame vista there aren't you?

Steam and MMF2 work fine for me. Could be something else?

 
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Originally Posted by Phizzy [Ectoprods]
You need the newest versions, of course... Clickteam only put proper Vista support in a couple of builds back.



MMF2 worked fine for me even back when I was using Windows Vista CR2 (before MMF2 was given builds to support Vista)

It had glitches yeah, but it opened fine and ran beautifully.

 
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He could be getting wierd errors from Vista not liking his Apple hardware. It's been known to happen. Or it could be one of those things, like my win2k installation crashing whenever a MMF/MMF2 app tries to fullscreen.

 
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I'm sorry Shab, I frequent Mac forums and I've never heard of that.

Well it all seems to be working now. Except it doesn't automatically connect to BlueTooth devices. Have to power cycle my keyboard to get it working (XP did this but only after a crash, OSX always connects it (a)). I've got it all working but stuff like MMF bonus packs and Steam had to be installed twice to get anywhere.

And MSN keeps nagging me to find some file, everything goes black and I'm locked out. Click cancel and it throws some hissy fit, attempts to install, realises it can't and back pedals before closing. XP didn't do this

On the good side some features are nifty. The interface reminds me of OSX but with colour customisation, address bar functionality, even my iccle Tormi seems to run faster. The OS in general feels faster and slower in different areas than XP, uncompressing my Steam back up now is really chugging the system compared to a much quicker XP. Still sad to see no pro support, when are Windows going to put in something as basic as RAW support? Them popping up windows are a bit of an eye strain. Any way to turn them off? And them constant security checks?

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Awesome. Episode 1 and TF2 aren't crashing! Looks like I'm stuck here now. Least I get to live out my fantasy of having an orange theme.

MMF2 games are definitely faster. As least my game is.

 
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I know Vista has its limitations but im ready for a new OS. Perhaps I should dual-boot but have Vista Default

 
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Originally Posted by Reno
I know Vista has its limitations but im ready for a new OS. Perhaps I should dual-boot but have Vista Default



That's what I did before I found out that my Windows XP Home Edition didn't like my dual core (along with a bunch of other issues that just limited me in ways unimaginable) so I replaced Vista with Windows XP Pro.

 
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XP didnt like your dual core so you replaces Vista with XP? That doesn't make any sense. Please elaborate

 
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I know XP Home supports dual core, but I just think that so many things were wrong with copy of XP Home (being that I foolishly never took the time to reformat after I bought my PC) and over time they just built up.

Also, when I put the dual core in, the Task Manager wouldn't display both performance graphs, only one. In fact the processor was actually slower then my solo-core when I was on Windows XP Home. After I installed Windows XP Pro, not everything rose up to twice the speed obviously, but games like Supreme Commander and programs like 3D Studio Max got absolutely dramatic performance boosts.
Supreme Commander went from 1-5fps up to 20-50fps; 3D Studio Max rendered around two times faster; Multimedia Fusion 2 games run around 10-15fps faster (higher clocks then old processor); Oblivion rose up to around 50fps (no more processor capping); and the rest of my programs got a little better.

So yeah, I know Windows XP Home supports Dual Core, but to a limited degree. I don't think that was my problem so much as my copy of Windows XP Home was just shit from the start, and I never noticed until I actually got a piece of hardware that I should have noticed, but didn't. Installing XP Pro was like going from night to day.


@Reno: I got rid of Vista, because I was annoyed by the piss poor performance I got in my games. Vista was basically cutting at least 20 frames per second off of my games, in most cases more. I only had 1GB (1.5GB now) but still, I'll wait for a service pack before I go back to Vista.
That's the only problem I have with it, is game performance. Especially now that I'm playing Team Fortress 2, Supreme Commander, and soon Portal. I can't afford to lose that much frame rate.

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Originally Posted by axel

Originally Posted by SilverNova / Tim
The ONLY bad thing about Vista at the moment is the lack of drivers from manufacturers.



The ONLY bad thing about Vista is the fact that you actually have to ask on TDC whether a piece of software will work on it or not.



Thats down to the problems and hatred people have with it, but it's all been plain-sailing for me so that's my viewpoint. I've installed Vista 64bit now on my machine (Quad-core 4gb RAM) and another (Dual-Core, 2gb RAM) both running happily as ever, so having decent hardware is probably the main thing here - otherwise weird stuff is granted to happen. As it is really, with any piece of software. You need to meet (and preferably, often exceed) the requirements.

 
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Originally Posted by BrandonC
Their software is not bad and it works fine granted you're not an idiot.



A little bit late in the day, but you do realise this is a pretty moronic thing to say and sorta counters everything positive you're saying about Vista? An OS is designed to be usable by anyone, be they idiot (or just computer illiterate) or other. It's the whole point is usability.

 
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Originally Posted by SilverNova / Tim
having decent hardware is probably the main thing here - otherwise weird stuff is granted to happen. As it is really, with any piece of software. You need to meet (and preferably, often exceed) the requirements.



Intel C2D @ 2.13 GHz, 2 GB RAM, Geforce 8600GTS. Should I need anything better than that to run frickin ModPlug, when my old XP machine (Athlon 1.8 GHz something, with 512 MB RAM and some shitty Radeon card) could do it without problems? <_<

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Originally Posted by Dr. James
I'm sorry Shab, I frequent Mac forums and I've never heard of that.



I've never heard of my error happening either, but that doesn't mean it's not happening. It was meant as more of a random windows error thing anyway. And yeah, having to manually connect bluetooth is a pain.

 
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Originally Posted by axel

Originally Posted by SilverNova / Tim
having decent hardware is probably the main thing here - otherwise weird stuff is granted to happen. As it is really, with any piece of software. You need to meet (and preferably, often exceed) the requirements.



Intel C2D @ 2.13 GHz, 2 GB RAM, Geforce 8600GTS. Should I need anything better than that to run frickin ModPlug, when my old XP machine (Athlon 1.8 GHz something, with 512 MB RAM and some shitty Radeon card) could do it without problems? <_<

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lol that sucks. I currently cant have any sound at all on my computer

 
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Vista on 1GB Ram is Kind of Like XP on 128Mb. Never buy an OS until the hardware can support it good (usually takes a year). I'm waiting until 4gb is standard in most midrange computers before I buy a new one with Vista.

 
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Well I only have 1GB of RAM ATM but im buying another gig soon so itll only be bad for the first few weeks

 
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I've got a little 1gb on the gaming machine and everything runs okay, even Vista hasn't been too slow.

 
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Yeah it's not too bad performance-wise, for what it does, and you can always turn off some features if you're having problems. I can live with the ridiculous security features and the heavy RAM-consumption and that, but I'm really annoyed by the fact that I won't be able to use ModPlug/Inkscape/Cave Story/any GM games/Dev-C++/etcetera the same way as before. Meh =P

 
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Cave Story seems to be working fine for me.

 
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Vista as an operating system runs perfectly fine with 1GB of ram, the problem I've had was with losing performance in games, even Unreal Tournament 2004.

 
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As someone that used many Windows OS (Dos based Windows 3.11-ME and NT based NT4-XP) I've never seen such a bad Windows OS. It's crashy, it's slow, and it's incompatible while it should be compatible (It's not like XP and DOS based OSes, as they weren't the same kernel while XP and Vista are about the same thing under the hoods) with most of programs.
And don't start crying about ME, as it wasn't THAT bad relative to other versions.
Vista is just a trick from Microsoft to get more money (DirectX 10 for Windows XP doesn't exist for a reason ya' know) by just adding more fancy effects and having 24 versions of a softwares (Home, Premium, Super Mega, Ultimate, Unlimited, Business, Not-so-busy-ness....). Other then that, NOTHING is new in Vista, or atleast something good.
Oh, it's also a marketing trick for their non-OS products by keeping bundling newer versions with Windows making them uninstallable for the average home user. (IE7, Media Player, Windows Dead Messenger etc.)
Anyway, don't touch Vista with a stick. It's a trap.

 
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So it's playing up for me now. Games have become interactive slideshows and iexplorer takes seconds to switch between tabs. Doesn't work with my webcam, scanner or tablet. Doesn't automatically connect to my wireless network or keyboard. Not keen on the popups. They've grown into a lovely source of frustration.
I'll be back on XP in a couple of days. Shame too as it's the closest way of getting OSX design outside of said system.

I don't get why they've released so many versions of the same OS either. Why can't 1 version contain everything? Everyone else seems to manage this, and charge less than half the price.



 
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May I say "I told you so"?
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After the initial bit it did run quite well. It just fell apart (an update broke something maybe?). It's as if there is a virus scanner or something abusing the HDD whilst I'm running beefy apps and games.

 
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Vista is one of the best OS ever. I really like it. Vista and Ubuntu are my favorite OSs (win98 too). Vista are very stable (they have some problems though) and user friendly. MMF2 works perfectly on my vista system, TGF1 too but i haven't tried MMF1. So I don't really know...

 
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24th September, 2007 at 03:49:19 -

"The best OS ever" wouldn't "have some problems".

 
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24th September, 2007 at 04:16:33 -

I know nothing about vista aside from what others tell me. So i know nothing for sure.

"its crap" "its the best thing ever" "it uses too much ram" "it manages ram better than xp" "only the 64 bit version is good"

I know nothing really...

 
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Vista is great. Even with its problems. I really like it. All of my games play perfectly and it's very fast. For a pc with old hardware Ubuntu Linux is perfect. Check it out, it worths a lot and it's free. 9)

 
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24th September, 2007 at 05:36:55 -

Its crap - False
The best thing over - False
It uses to much ram - True
Manages ram better than xp - Eh.. not exactly.
Only the 64bit version is good - Never tried 32bit so I wouldn't know.

All and all, Vista is not a bad operating system, people just need to wait for the first service pack to come out in around a year or so. It's that simple.

PS: And just so people know my angle on the whole subject. I am not Pro or Con Vista, I am just defending it against all the bullsh*t rumors because it is a decent operating system, it just lacks the maturity that took XP years to grow in to.

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24th September, 2007 at 08:08:45 -

Just letting you know, when Jason booted Vista in the click convention to start my presentation it crashed while booting into a BSOD.
"lol, stable".

 
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24th September, 2007 at 11:08:26 -

It's crashed on me a few times too. XP hasn't (on this machine). Which, despite the crippling security holes, is a fairly stable system.

I just wish Microsoft would finally enable (easily) USB/Firewire drives for installation. I'd stick it on a spare 60gb external and just boot up in it for whatever reason. They could learn from Apple, I've got a cut down OSX on a partition of an iPod HDD. Plug it in, hold down ESC on boot and select it. That'd just be brilliant for Vista.

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24th September, 2007 at 13:54:05 -

I really don't know how people are managing to crash Vista though, I mean I've never crashed Vista, and only crashed XP one time (long time ago). Both operating systems are stable in my experience.

 
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24th September, 2007 at 15:27:26 -

Originally Posted by LIJI [S.o.m.e.G.o.o Limited]
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That's clearly fake; it's a Win9X BSoD.

 
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It took you a while!
This one is better?
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24th September, 2007 at 15:44:01 -

It's better, but the NTOSKRNL.exe ones that aren't NT/2000 usually don't linger like that; they usually flash and reboot.

 
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24th September, 2007 at 15:45:52 -

It's optional.

 
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24th September, 2007 at 16:33:15 -

Not last time I checked.

 
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Originally Posted by LIJI [S.o.m.e.G.o.o Limited]
It took you a while!
This one is better?
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That looks like PCWorld .. You just know someone done that on purpose, lol

and why isn't that second hr showing up? :\

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25th September, 2007 at 07:56:44 -

It's because Flava isn't paid another, so he does half work. ^^

 
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25th September, 2007 at 16:34:53 -

Ok. So XP didn't want to install (some dll error). OSX couldn't do the "partition without format" trick it does because my HDD is so packed. backing up 260gb for a total format now. It's also a shame that Fat32 can't exceed 32gb, where NTFS is so incompatible.

Bloody Vista!

 
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NTFS is incompatible? what does OSX use then

 
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HFS_Plus

 
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25th September, 2007 at 18:23:43 -

HFS+ for 10.4 and below, ZFS (finally a modern filesystem!) for 10.5 next month.

 
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yeah, i have a win 98 machine with a 60GB HD and Win98 uses Fat32

 
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O rly? Last time I checked my HDA2 Partition (E:\ for you, Windowsers!) was 64GB and Fat32.

 
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Not sure if this has already been said...

MMF1 apps that use extensions (cox files) will generally only work on Vista if DEP (Data Execution Prevention) is disabled for that app. DEP is actually a good feature that's been notably absent in windows (linux has had it forever). However, since the MMF1 app wants to execute code in the extensions it loads, DEP will not allow it.

 
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The only programs DEP on Windows ever stopped for me were MSPaint and Windows Exploder...

 
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Originally Posted by LIJIothy
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Not Internet Exploder, Windows Exploder!
The shell and file browser thingy...

 
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can you make exeptions to DEP rules?

 
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A guy on a forum I visit just had this message-

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This looks shopped.
I can tell from some of the pixels and from seeing quite a few shops in my time.

 
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Bill Gates said:

Some USB mouses inject Windows-Vista-Specific code that uninstalls the keyboard drivers.



 
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A little OT- but the icon for a Windows computer in Leopard;

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And the pic is real. It happens with some cheap 5 Tesco mouse.
ps. Leopard icons are huuuuuge.

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Just use Ubuntu (Linux).
Download the LiveCD and run it. If it runs fine from the LiveCD, install it.
Ubuntu 7.10 comes with desktop effects that out-do Vista and its all FREE!
You can download an Windows Emulator for running MMF2 and so on.
That's what I did and I haven't regretted it since!


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1st November, 2007 at 18:15:37 -

But that contradicts everyone here that says Vista is the ultimate OS

 
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How many people actually wrote that eh?


TGF runs fine in Vista 64 bit for me too.

 
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Originally Posted by Tom C
Just use Ubuntu (Linux).
Download the LiveCD and run it. If it runs fine from the LiveCD, install it.
Ubuntu 7.10 comes with desktop effects that out-do Vista and its all FREE!
You can download an Windows Emulator for running MMF2 and so on.
That's what I did and I haven't regretted it since!


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Switching OSes is never "just do this and it'll be all right". It takes time to get used to, effort to get some things working, etcetera. It's about what you feel most comfortable with, and what programs you use.

Speaking of which, I've been using Ubuntu 7.10 for a while and MMF2 works just fine. And Click games with MIDI are actually more enjoyable, as the songs suddenly sound way more awesome.

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2nd November, 2007 at 18:05:22 -

Windows XP kills MIDIs.
Older versions used the awesomer SoundCard synth by default...

 
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I'd be tempted to give Ubuntu a go, but it's the rigmarole of getting drivers that I'm not keen on. I think I'm after something without mess (OSX) but with the whole "everythings free" thinking of Linux. But that also runs MMF2.

Just getting a bit sick of XP now. It's so troublesome with Bluetooth, it fails to connect to my wireless network automatically, I keep getting "paged pool errors" and I have to jump through hoops just to disable or swop the order of monitors. If Ubuntu could sort all that out I'd be miles happy.

 
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2nd November, 2007 at 20:04:12 -

It autodetected my "second monitor" possibility (I have a laptop, so I can connect to beamers and it detects that). Support for ATI cards is getting more and more decent (in fact, I got an update on that today!) and I think support for nVidia cards is awesome.

There's a "restricted drivers manager" with more experimental drivers so your hardware will at least work if there's no full driver for it yet. It's why all my hardware works.

Worth a try, anyway? And else, perhaps something like BSD and variants?

 
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Mac OS X = BSD

 
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3rd November, 2007 at 07:06:56 -

I'm running Omega drivers, this is what I have to do-

Plug in DVI cable. XP does desktop spanning.
I'd click swop monitors (so I can disable the iMacs main monitor), but it'd throw up some stuff about a certain refresh rate not being compatible.
Using ATi Tool I manually force the monitor to use a refresh rate.
Disable monitor in Omega (but is always reset on reboot).
Also on reboot (or sleep) I have to change the resolution of the 2nd monitor else it just uses the 1st monitors res.

In OSX you just go to displays and tell it what to use I'm hoping Ubuntu has something similar.

Allllso is it possible to disable that ****ing Windows key when playing games or full screen apps?

 
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Yeah, right.

I meant ones like OpenBSD or FreeBSD, anyway. Which would then, if you are serious, be an open source Mac OSX?

 
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