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17th August, 2006 at 21:39:39 -

Why are we still fighting about this?

The conflict is over for the time being (give it another week or so ).

 
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17th August, 2006 at 23:51:16 -

It'll last for a while, probably. Hezbollah will take the time to capitalize on the propaganda potential for recruitment and funding before they start goading again.

And you ignore the hypocricy in that.
Unlike most people, I do not consider Israel to be the only place where Jews can live.

Non sequitur. Please address the point.

So what, then, are we to benefit from abandoning Israel?
Is peace good enough for you?

You have presented no evidence that cutting ties with Israel will lead to peace, other than an assumption that assistance will indirectly piss of people that are already pissed off. On the other hand your only response to my reasons for keeping them as allies has been some flawed analogies to states that don't do what you think they do and incredulity.
Something I'm sure you'll find under the logical fallacies category on wikipedia.

 
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18th August, 2006 at 15:47:02 -

The Jews won't give up, and the Muslims won't give in. It's pointless.

 
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21st August, 2006 at 02:10:28 -

I'm not in support of Hezbollah. But as a nation state and not an organisation, Israel have a responsibility to act justly and maturely, which really doesn't seem to be happening.

 
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21st August, 2006 at 06:55:35 -

As long as LIJI gets killed by a katyusha rocket i am happy

 
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21st August, 2006 at 09:31:49 -

Sad news; Lilj died of aids at 1:30 am Saturday.

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21st August, 2006 at 14:39:05 -

I'm kinda starting to get sick of all this news about the middle East, I mean, god, this stuff will never end, people are constantly fighting over their religions, and people are blowing themselves up and everything. It's still a big deal but it's getting a little annoying.

 
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21st August, 2006 at 16:27:54 -

you know what would be good

not bumping this topic anymore

 
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1st September, 2006 at 04:46:11 -

I'd have to say that both sides are equally evil in this case. The only difference between Israel and whatever terrorists it fights next is that Israel kills them in front, drops bombs right from the air, killing plenty of combatants, but about as many civilians. The "terrorists" are doing just the same thing, cept they're striking the flanks or suiciding themselves, killing well... anyone, but nobody here sees that because of all the Lebanese/Palestinian babies riddled with bullets. Nobody's right either way... some innocent civilian keeps getting killed along the way.

As a Muslim, I'm supposed to be biased towards the anti-Jews by culture, but I just don't see it that way. Dammit... the Jews, Muslims, Christians were supposed to be cousins, but thanks to bloodthirsty extremists, history just doesn't turn out that way. All these religions were/are peaceful religions by nature. Not sure about Judiasm, but Christianity encourages its followers to turn the other cheek, Islam encourages people to fight back when they're being attacked, but not to initialize an attack and to forgive as soon as they surrender. Heck, Islam isn't even supposed to be divided into sects, if ANY of them read the Quran.

Like all wars, there's not really much we can do except watch, let in refugees, and heal the wounded. Giving weapons would lead to deadlier wars, condemnation, trade embargoes leads to taking sides. This could be the start of a WW3, but I really hope not.

I don't believe in the "Axis of Evil" trash that Bush tries to promote, all of the 'axis of evil' nations aren't even good friends. North Korea isn't half the threat it thinks it is and far less than what everyone else believes. If it wasn't for the nuclear capabilities, Japan, China, even Russia could wipe them out with little effort. Iran however, is a threat if it ever wanted to be, and if the US thinks that they can overrun it like in Iraq, the Americans should be prepared to see a war far more horrifying than Vietnam and both Gulf wars combined...

 
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1st September, 2006 at 05:01:19 -

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Useful info about muslim terrorists.

 
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3rd September, 2006 at 14:37:29 -

It seems fairly apparent to me that Hezbollah are manipulating Israel in order to (Ironically) rally support for their cause. Israel has a reputation for disproportionate responses, Hezbollah know this, ergo they know that if they repeatedly fire rockets into Israel, then Israel will lash out wildy at them, and most likely end up killing lots of innocent civilians. As a result of this, newpapers feel that is their duty to flaunt images of dead women and children (because men apparently don't matter) and couple it to a biased and narrow minded report on the goings on. I think it is sick that papers use these images as propoganda for their biased media campaigns. The terrible thing is many people will lap it up without seeing the bigger picture.

This inevitably leads to a rise in hatred for israel, and many young and immpressionable youths in the middle east will know no better than to join terrorist groups such as Hezbollah, in the belief that they are fighting Israel for the honour of their family members who were wiped out by Isreal's cumbersome military fist. I have a friend who is from Lebannon and I was shocked at how almost supportive he was of Hezbollah at first- the idea that someone was killing innocent people in his home country made him a little crazy for a while and that is understandable.

Muslim is not itself a violent religion, but it is a religion nonetheless, and I find myself a bit of an empiricist when it comes to beleif systems. In the wrong hands, and in the right situation, religion can very easily be used to manipulate people. I mean by having a religion you base your beleif system around faith. In my opinion "faith" in this context means beleiving and trusting in something that has no proof to suggest that it ever existed. So many muslims have "faith" in (they put their unwavering trust in) religeous clerics who are actually corrupt, power hungry and willing to use people who trust them as explosive ammunition to suit their own ends. Which to anyone in their right mind, is totally sick beyond beleif.

The other thing (that I think Lazarus hasn't taken into account) is that religion changes over time (you can say what you will about this view but it is well founded). This is one of the main reasons why I can't take it seriously as something to influence what I believe. Galileo was a famous astronomer, probably most famous for discovering that the earth orbits the sun (not the universe revolves around the earth). This is common knowledge now, but in poor Galileo's time the christians didn't like it, so they threw him into jail for the rest of his life, so what happened in between? Have they tipexed that bit of the bible that says "if anyone makes a significant astronomical discovery, thow them into jail"? Something like that. So this is a small piece of evidence to suggest that the "word of god" is not quite the same as it was originally, and you will easily find more (evidence) if you search for it. So the likelyhood is that the bible probably did have something akin to "kill the infidels" in it once, but not any more, thanks to those tipex happy priests.

Anyway these are my views and I'll stop now

P.S. Circy I'm with you, George Galloway is an idiot


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3rd September, 2006 at 23:12:59 -

I'd have to say I agree with all that, except that I've seen dead men and the crazy clerics actually DO believe in what they say. They just twist and warp a fact. "Jihad" was supposed to violent strictly only for self-defense, but apparently, it's the driving force for a lot of the suicidal terrorists. After all, if you're sick of life, what better way to end it than to convince yourself that you'll be entering a better one?

 
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4th September, 2006 at 05:49:26 -

Yeah I suppose a lot of the clerics probably do beleive the stuff they are telling people, but chances are many of them are puppets (to almost the same extent as they people they incite violence to) for those that are higher up the ladder i.e. warlords.



 
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4th September, 2006 at 21:31:08 -

I have some respect for the warlords though. They're geniuses. Evil geniuses who should be destroyed, of course, but interesting nonetheless.

Once all this violence lies in the past, all those middle eastern terrorists with their long beards and arabian accents will be romanticised like the imperial age pirates who have missing limbs and scurvy. Angry mobs with AK-47s will be as cool as a bunch of pirates boarding and pillaging a ship.

 
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6th September, 2006 at 14:46:02 -

"Angry mobs with AK-47s will be as cool as a bunch of pirates boarding and pillaging a ship"

Hahahahaha yeah... I never thought about it like that, but it's probably true

 
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