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12th August, 2006 at 17:12:52 -

Just thought I'd try to gather opinion on the subject.
Watch this video of George Galloway: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68eSYm96Jdo

While I'm not saying Hezbollah have the right method in what it is doing, I do feel that Israel are as much terrorist as al Qaeda, or Hezbollah, or Hamas. And it's putting the UK and the US in danger because our governments continue to back Israel with weapons, and we will pay for it in fire and blood and anguish.

And while Bush and Blair continue to sanction illegal action by Israel, then Mr Average will be the one who is blown up in an aircraft by Muslim militants. And as Galloway says, the media is totally biased towards Israel and regards any Muslim militant group as terrorist. It's time for us to sever ties with Israel and in fact, leave well out of the Middle East. That is all.

 
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12th August, 2006 at 18:33:17 -

I don't really know too much about the situation's details as I was away in France when it started.

But I do know that George Galloway is a total idiot

 
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12th August, 2006 at 20:39:03 -

I support Israel. They've been putting up with terrorists for several years; it's about time they kicked some terrorist ass.

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13th August, 2006 at 02:08:09 -

i don't pay much attention to the news but i get really interested about the current news when my dad talks about it

he says that the entire goal of the USA (actually, it's really just bush & co) is to own oil resources through proxy wars to indirectly gain control over china's export business because china is one of the third (i think) largest growing nations/something.he said something about some boxes/crates/whatever in california being so high that the area is considered the place where the sun sets first and guess what, most if not all of those crates are from china. that shows just how much the world depends on china's inexpensive labour/exports.

by gaining control of the world's oil resource bush can change oil prices as he pleases to hinder china's export business

please note, that this is what i could make of my dad's comments/analyzations/revalations/whatever

the bush history is filled with wars. from reading articles on the net (not THAT much mind you) i know that both bush's father and grand dad were war presidents. bush jr's father had his war with iran and bush jr's grand dad even supported hitler (this was quite the surprise when i read it) i'll try to find these articles tomorrow to back up the bit about bush jr's grand dad and hitler.

 
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13th August, 2006 at 07:29:09 -

Lazarus, IMO they themselves are to blame - the Israelis illegally raided, plundered and generally invaded lands around their own fragile state. And guess where they got the munitions from?

And Sensation, although that's a valid point, I don't think it has too much to do with Israel, Hezbollah et al. I'm quite sure that the United States want to own all the oil - we've seen it in the past, we are seeing it in Iraq, and we will see it in Iran not far from now. As my chemistry teacher once put it, "the US is the cause of most of the world's troubles, and until they are stopped then we will carry on living in this commercially-powered policed world."

 
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13th August, 2006 at 11:27:56 -

After WWII, everyone felt guilty about what happened to the jews, so they let them have Israel, their promised land. What they forgot about was that it was already populated by the palestines.

IMO Israel and Palestine are like two small children, who don't want to share and want the whole country for themselves.

 
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13th August, 2006 at 17:43:44 -

Yeah, but the Muslims stole the land from the Jews years ago! Don't kid yourself; it should be Jew-land.

Don't get me wrong, the whole war between Israel and Palestine is a joke. They just can't get over the fact that they have to share it.

I'm still rooting for Israel.

P.S. Muslim is a Violent religion; it will never compromise with Israel. If you try to compare Christianity/Judism to Islam, you don't know shit about either of them.

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13th August, 2006 at 20:47:31 -

Muslim isn't a religion. Islam is a religion. A muslim is a person who believes in Islam.

 
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13th August, 2006 at 22:15:53 -

When a region is conquered, settled and operates as a sovereign nation for any period of time it's legitimate. Claiming that attacks on civilians are justified because Israel isn't a real state is ridiculous.

SPOILER: Just about every established nation on earth has displaced somebody at least once to get where it is today. The British Empire used to do it as a matter of course. The Americas were settled by slaughtering the indiginous inhabitatants. None of that was very nice, but it's irrelevant today.

The attack itself is directly comparable to the American-led Allies-supported invasion of Afghanistan. If you want to call Israel a terrorist (word which has almost lost all meaning) state, then you must also consider the Allied nations as such.
Which is fine.
But pretty stupid.

 
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13th August, 2006 at 23:29:23 -

Pardon me, you're right. I meant Islam.

I haven't slept in about a week.

 
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13th August, 2006 at 23:37:57 -

What you meant were the Shia, who are batshit crazy for the whole martydom thing. The rest of them (along with fundie christians) may not like Israel, but they aren't going to war over it.

 
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14th August, 2006 at 06:55:17 -

The difference nowadays Radix is that with the world's transportation systems and liquid explosive thingies means that the "victim" (I use the term loosely) can now rebel against the superpowers, no matter how small the faction. This is a relatively new thing, and until the western powers stop trying to police the world and acting like Israel's big brother then we will continue to pay for it.

A great letter in my daily newspaper:
"Perhaps the US flag should contain only one star - the star of David, for it seems the US is in thrall with Israel."

Islam is no more violent than Christianity, Judaism et al. It's idiots like Lazarus, who cannot comprehend what has gone on throughout the years, behind the backs of the media, who apply their prejudices and misconceptions to Muslims. Result? Backlash.

Maybe as an experiment the western powers should keep their minds on their own countries just for once, instead of funding military jaunts on the other side of the world. Or would that make oil prices too high for the gas-guzzling yanks?

 
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14th August, 2006 at 08:14:44 -

We should let France have the country so they can make the whole thing a big topless beach.

 
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14th August, 2006 at 08:34:08 -

Islam is no more violent than Christianity, Judaism et al.
I completely agree. Christians and Jews can be bloodthirsty motherfuckers. When it comes to a certain type of Shi'ite, they're something like fatalist Zerg.

The difference nowadays Radix is that with the world's transportation systems and liquid explosive thingies means that the "victim" (I use the term loosely) can now rebel against the superpowers, no matter how small the faction. This is a relatively new thing, and until the western powers stop trying to police the world and acting like Israel's big brother then we will continue to pay for it.
Asymmetric warfare is NOT a new thing. Small rag-tag forces with the support of the populace can and have formed effective fighting forces throughout history. The only difference now is that with the invention of mass media the larger forces actually care about civilian casualties. Back in the good old days of imperialism a British or Roman commander wouldn't flinch at wiping out a village to squash insurgency.

Maybe as an experiment the western powers should keep their minds on their own countries just for once, instead of funding military jaunts on the other side of the world.
Uh, what? The IDF is an incredibly well-equipped and trained (though I think they're overrated) army, and they would be with or without Western support. Sorry to ruin your illusion, but Israel has strong bonds with Western countries not over guilt over Nazism, but because the WW2 Jewish diaspora scattered the population throughout the world and they retain their ties with Israel. You're suggesting that the West should break ties with a valuable ally just because you don't like them?

If it makes you feel any better, I'm pretty sure Israel is going to lose, at least in the long run. The IDF really hates losing soldiers, but Hezbollah just loves martydom and has been itching for all-out war for ages. And they've got more or less the entire Shi'ite population of southern Lebanon for cannon fodder.

 
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14th August, 2006 at 12:28:46 -

But the difference with the rag-tag forces then and now is that they can cause massive damage in transport systems, creating huge media coverage and a national scare, all using relatively cheap equipment. In the olden days if something happened in London, and you lived in Edinburgh, you probably wouldn't find out till weeks later, and even then it would have little or no relevance to you. Now the world has shrunk we can expect to know about it there and then, and be warned of similar attacks in a town near you. The widespread panic is often more effective than the actual event.

And I never said that we have bonds with Israel over guilt. You might be confusing me with someone else. But, I still hold the belief that we should break ties with Israel. How are they an ally? What do they offer us? And in Britain there are many many more Muslims than Jews, yet we don't seem to have any special relations with Pakistan, or Iran, or anywhere.

It's happened in the past many times - Britain, the US, whoever, always try to sort things out in foreign countries that have little actually to do with them (except that they happen to gain some commodity, or get their favoured man in power). Vietnam? Iraq? Palestine? And it always blows up in their faces. And it's taken me this long to see.

Why can't we all just be like Norway?

 
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