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Kramy



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26th May, 2004 at 22:54:30 -

"I'd recommend a P4 processor otherwise your computer might not be compatible with future hardware advancements (such as the new types of RAM)."

Unfortunately newer types of RAM are AMD-Only.

Well, that's not true...they are "supposedly" for Intels too, but they crash so $!@%$& much that it's useless. (I hope the $@^$%@!& acurately reflects the crash amount)

Also, the above "Nevermind" was a somewhat longer version of this:

I've had several PC's over the years. Pentiums, AMD's, etc. All the Pentiums have died(Even a P3...only a few years old). One Pentium even had the gaul of corrupting every harddrive in my PC as it burned out.(Agh!!! )

Actually, despite the Pentiums having lower temperatures, the P3 decided to melt all the wires, which ruined the videocard and one harddrive.

My uncle's Pentium II died after 1.2 years.

Since then we've all switched to AMD's. No problems yet. The office AMD is almost 6 years old(nearing end of life) and it's still ok.

Videocards: You don't need some fancy thing with expensive features. Just make sure it has atleast 64mb RAM onboard, since that's about the max you'll need for editting a single image. My $2 GeForce 2 still works great for most things.(And many games still get 8fps.)

 
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27th May, 2004 at 00:08:46 -

Ah I see what ya mean...
I know what your talking about eh! I just accually bought a second fan for the case cause I couldn't get my AMD to run at its best speed cause of the heat... BUt now its good. I have to leave the side of the case open just a tad thou just to make sure

About the Pentium chips and corruping your harddrives etc... dude thats sooo damn weird cause my mum had a Pentium chip that did the exact same thing. We never put it down to the chip frying thou... we just thought maybe the harddrive screwed or somthing... thats soo weird.

 
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27th May, 2004 at 02:58:43 -

"One thing to remember: NEVER BUY A MOTHERBOARD WITH A BUILT-IN GFX CARD! If you listen to nothing else I've said, for the love of God, please remember that tip "
True dat, i bought a new Motherboard and new case, ready to transfer everything from my HP to my new Case/motherboard and then i saw on the motherboard it was an "Integrated Graphics card" , so i had to buy a new ATI gfx card (only $140 which is pretty good ).
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in conclusion:
512mb Ram (make sure its compaitable with Motherboard)
Pentium 4: 2.0ghz+ (also make sure your Motherboard is for pentiums and not Athlon/AMD)
100gb+ HD(also make sure its compaitable)
Elsa Falcox Radeon 128mb(or whatever other type of adeon, i found this one cheap)
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with the following specs your computer should handle everything you want and you probably wont havem to upgrade anything for a LONG time.

 
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Muz



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28th May, 2004 at 00:49:04 -

LOL, almost every computer assembler guy I've asked says that you should never use an AMD processor. Sure, it's cheaper and can be overclocked better, but it's got less meltdown protection than a Pentium IV. After all, what use is a 5% improvement in speed, when it melts down after only a few months?

SC:
I do a lot of downloading as well, but generally, I've only used about 500 MB total for all of them. If you don't use it, delete it . If you realise you'll never touch it again (like with the majority of Click games), delete the zip/installer file as well.

Thus, I'm only using about 20 GB out of about 320 GB in all my HDDs, and I haven't uninstalled a single thing. However, if you're planning on downloading lots of pr0n, illegal movies, and get sued by the RIAA like most of our friends here (or at least do a lot of animation & movie making), by all means, you'll need a huge HDD.

But SC's right... memory's quite cheap. If you ever realise you don't have enough, buy another hard drive . And if you're too lazy to figure out our debate here, just get a high-end Dell computer.

 
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28th May, 2004 at 02:05:45 -

Interestingly enough the computer assembler guy where I bought my AMD CPU told me an AMD is probably better than an Pentium. Plus every motherboard made for the AMD comes with 5.1 sound! lol....

Its not cheaper Muz! I don't know where you see that cause all the AMD CPUs are more expensive than Pentiums. Metldown protection? I don't think I understand cause I know my computer will shut itself off if the CPU is getting too hot. I have never had an AMD meltdown after 2 months...hell I NEVER HAD one meltdown.

I asked around and have found that AMDs are encoded differently than Pentiums. Its hard to explane but for instance, it takes the AMD CPU 1 thing of figuring to do what you ask while the Pentiums take 4. Correct me if Im wrong here because Im not too sure if Im right about that or heard it correctly. I have been told its like a program doing 1 line of code to make a charcter walk instead of 4 lines of code.
Does that make any since??? Hahhaa...oh well

P.S. GO FLAMES GO!!!!!!!!!

 
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ShadowCaster

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28th May, 2004 at 02:45:17 -

"I know my computer will shut itself off if the CPU is getting too hot"
That's good if mobo designers are including that on systems designed for AMD, but call me a purest, if they need to put that into a mobo I wouldnt like to use it particularly for high-end systems where the computer will get exceptionally hot. As Muz said, a small increase in speed isnt really worth it. There's no noticible difference between 500MHz and 1GHz in a game, for example, because it will depend greatly on the video card to do most of the processing and the amount/speed of the ram.

"it takes the AMD CPU 1 thing of figuring to do what you ask while the Pentiums take 4"
That depends... both cpu's have optimisation for certain things. All processors have basic functions for doing quite a number of things from simple mathematics to quite complex calculations. Although there is no "official" standard for these instructions that says "all processors must be able to add two numbers", you're pretty much guarenteed to have all those functions no matter what CPU you buy (unless you buy something really unknown). The difference between AMD and Intel is they have different advanced functions. So Intel might have a function where you can process a video frame very quickly, whereas AMD might have a function that allows you to process a mathematical function used in 3D very quickly. In other words, they're both optimised for different things, so it depends on what you want to use it for. And even if you know what you want to use it for, there's always overlap between the processors.

But all that means nothing, and do you know why? Because developers if they want to make a game, for example, which works on both Intel and AMD processors, they cant use the functions that are specific to just one of the CPUs, unless they want to dramatically increase the size of the game (since you have both functions in the code for both processors to work correctly). Thus you would mainly stick to the main group of functions unless there is some specific method or routine that would increase the speed significantly. There's no point creating two versions of a file if you're only going to save a few milliseconds on an instruction. It might sound good to get every single optimisation possible, but it's just bad programming to spend time and space optimising something if the increase in speed isnt great.

Anyway, that was way too much talking on my part for no real reason Guess I'm just bored

Mike

 
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Muz



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28th May, 2004 at 07:37:51 -

LOL, 4 times faster? Thing is, P4 chips (the old ones) are able go at higher speeds, BUT they do a lot less work per tick. However, the new ones (Pentium 4a, 4b, 4e something like that) claimed to have fixed that problem.

 
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ChrisB

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28th May, 2004 at 12:10:10 -

Motorola processors do a lot more work per tick because they have more transistors (among other things). That's why most Macs beat PCs with stuff like SETI, even though they're (supposedly) half as fast.

 
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Kramy



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28th May, 2004 at 14:15:37 -

"There's no noticible difference between 500MHz and 1GHz in a game, for example, because it will depend greatly on the video card to do most of the processing and the amount/speed of the ram."

Unless the game is 2D. Then you can get 3x speed from the 500mhz to 1ghz.

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gizmo



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28th May, 2004 at 15:29:25 -

"AMD Athlons average extremely high temporatures. Mine averages 70C, or 158.00F"

You need to get rid of that retail fan. Mine starts at 32 Degrees and after constant gaming (Farcry, Halo etc.) it maxes out at 45. This is with a 10 fan....And my cpu is a 2.6 Athlon.

Look for the coolermaster aero lites. If you have the bling get the jet engine ones (30)

I have 2x 40 Gb drives, and one has 11gb left, one has 25Gb left. Its all down to what you use...

 
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