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6th October, 2011 at 01:12:48 -

Anyone who knows me, knows that I was never really a big Apple fan. But that doesn't mean that I didn't have respect for Steve Jobs. He encouraged the world of technology to actually try to be better than what money efficiency would allow for.

I know this probably isn't the best place to make a post like this, it's not klik related... but it is big news in the technology world, which we all here do take part in.

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6th October, 2011 at 09:34:28 -

i agree. i was just about to make a post about it so im glad somebody already did showing that people care.

ive always hated osx, apple as a company and the way they behave and ive hated steve jobs. from reading bigraphies he was quite a douchebag. i still suggest the movie Pirates of Silliconvalley. it's pretty good.

note that i make a living as Movie Editor using Final Cut 9 hours every day. So I am more of a Mac user than a PC user.

still: besides me hating jobs and apple this is quite a shock. The iphone 4 Ass just came out yesterday and THEN Jobs dies? WOW what a timing. IS it good timing?

Option 1) People were disappointed its no iphone 5 so his death will overshadow the crappy Ifag 4s
Option 2) Given the fact people were disappointed Jobs was just like "cant be bothered" and dropped dead

but yeh he made quite some innovative stuff AND you should note apple was going downhill when he left and was doing fine again when he came back in the late 90s. I am curious to see how Apple will do with him gone now. It's certainly weird.

also the fact he died will make him a LEGEND now. thats for sure. he will be the rockstar of the technology world like kurt cobain or jimmi hendrix. if he had died of age it would have been a different matter. HELL say he would have died with 90. imagine what apple/technology would be like then if he were still around (if apple will still exist then).

 
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6th October, 2011 at 13:49:05 -

Cancer sucks but I'm not sure he's really the legend he's made out to be.


Breakout, a discrete logic (non-microprocessor) game, was conceptualized by Nolan Bushnell and Steve Bristow, after the latter had "rejoined" Atari after the merge of Atari subsidiary Kee Games.

They had an idea to turn Pong into a single player game, where the player would use a ball to deplete a wall of bricks without missing the ball on its rebound. Bushnell was certain the game would be popular, and the two partnered to produce a concept. Al Alcorn was assigned as the project manager, and began development with Cyan Engineering in 1975. The same year, Alcorn assigned Steve Jobs to design a prototype. Jobs was offered US$750, with an extra $100 each time a chip was eliminated from the prospected design. Jobs promised to complete a prototype within four days.

Jobs noticed his friend Steve Wozniak—employee of Hewlett-Packard—was capable of producing designs with a small number of chips, and invited him to work on the hardware design with the prospect of splitting the $750 wage. Wozniak had no sketches and instead interpreted the game from its description. To save parts, he had "tricky little designs" difficult to understand for most engineers. Near the end of development, Wozniak considered moving the high score to the screen's top, but Jobs claimed Bushnell wanted it at the bottom; Wozniak was unaware of any truth to his claims. The original deadline was met after Wozniak did not sleep for four days straight. In the end 50 chips were removed from Jobs' original design. This equated to a US$5,000 bonus, which Jobs kept secret from Wozniak, instead only paying him $375.



 
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6th October, 2011 at 15:52:49 -

I have much the same view as MasterM, but it's still a sad day - the guy brought a company back around, was clearly smart and made contributions to the world (even if I do dislike Apple products and the iSheep crowd).

I always thought Wozniak was the real brain behind the old Apple too - also it has been alleged that Jobs never gave any money to charity (no publicly listed donations anyway). Modern Apple PC's are just X86 machines in pretty boxes with Unix and a pretty GUI, but an increasing number of people seem to like them.

I class him a bit like Clive Sinclair (although Sinclar is an electronic engineering genius), his products was not technically the best out there but he tried to make them a bit more usuable and fashionable compared to machines of the era (Sinclair did make them cheaper too though, unlike Apple).


 
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6th October, 2011 at 17:50:47 -


Originally Posted by ..::hagar::..

I class him a bit like Clive Sinclair (although Sinclar is an electronic engineering genius), his products was not technically the best out there but he tried to make them a bit more usuable and fashionable compared to machines of the era (Sinclair did make them cheaper too though, unlike Apple).



I would disagree, Sinclair made affordable products. (the first computer to cost less than £100)

Apple makes screenless mp3 players with 1 or 2gb space that cost more than other manufacturer's players with screens and larger capacity.

Unless you're talking about the Apple II, but that was the Woz's genius behind it (and other manufacturers soon caught up with it)

 
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6th October, 2011 at 17:58:23 -


Originally Posted by Phredreeke
Cancer sucks but I'm not sure he's really the legend he's made out to be.


Breakout, a discrete logic (non-microprocessor) game, was conceptualized by Nolan Bushnell and Steve Bristow, after the latter had "rejoined" Atari after the merge of Atari subsidiary Kee Games.

They had an idea to turn Pong into a single player game, where the player would use a ball to deplete a wall of bricks without missing the ball on its rebound. Bushnell was certain the game would be popular, and the two partnered to produce a concept. Al Alcorn was assigned as the project manager, and began development with Cyan Engineering in 1975. The same year, Alcorn assigned Steve Jobs to design a prototype. Jobs was offered US$750, with an extra $100 each time a chip was eliminated from the prospected design. Jobs promised to complete a prototype within four days.

Jobs noticed his friend Steve Wozniak—employee of Hewlett-Packard—was capable of producing designs with a small number of chips, and invited him to work on the hardware design with the prospect of splitting the $750 wage. Wozniak had no sketches and instead interpreted the game from its description. To save parts, he had "tricky little designs" difficult to understand for most engineers. Near the end of development, Wozniak considered moving the high score to the screen's top, but Jobs claimed Bushnell wanted it at the bottom; Wozniak was unaware of any truth to his claims. The original deadline was met after Wozniak did not sleep for four days straight. In the end 50 chips were removed from Jobs' original design. This equated to a US$5,000 bonus, which Jobs kept secret from Wozniak, instead only paying him $375.




Where did you get that from?

 
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6th October, 2011 at 18:05:57 -

Apple seems to be more of a social symbol among my friends who have their products.

It's like designer clothing. Cheap materials that are dressed up to look fancy, and adding the apple logo makes them feel like they're part of the club.

The iphone was really their only good product although some would disagree with me.
It's not the hardware that makes it good, its the software. No matter how fast the cpu is in a droid they're still hindered by non-intuitive software. Not to mention their app store is pretty crummy. Hopefully all that changes though.

I also have an ipad 2 to make apps for it (still haven't, but I've tested some stuff using mmf, pretty neat but not enough time since I'm in school still) and I'll be honest, it's junk to me. I can't do much with it. Browsing the internet is worthless since it can't view half of the content correctly. Only popular sites are any good on it. If ipad 3 has flash support that would be great! And it might just happen if Jobs is gone. (not to disrespect him in anyway, I'm not glad he died.)

(Please note that the above is just my opinion, don't hate me if you disagree, and don't reply if you are an apple fanboy.)

 
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6th October, 2011 at 18:21:58 -


Originally Posted by MasterM
Where did you get that from?



Wikipedia Although there are contradicting sources about it so it may or may not have happened that way.

 
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6th October, 2011 at 19:39:01 -

I'd like to know how that was "known" it seems unlikely that he would tell anyone if he actually did that.

And besides everyone does stupid things at some point in their life. No one is perfect.

 
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Originally Posted by . : UrbanMonk : .
I'd like to know how that was "known" it seems unlikely that he would tell anyone if he actually did that.

And besides everyone does stupid things at some point in their life. No one is perfect.



Well, there's the guy who wrote the check (Alcorn), the guy who cashed it (Jobs) and the guy who was supposedely paid half of it (Woz). Now if Alcorn wrote a check for $5000 and Jobs gave Woz $375 of it it's not hard to figure out the rest.

That wasn't my point though. My point was that Woz was the real genius.

 
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7th October, 2011 at 00:00:32 -

So when Woz created a more efficient breakout game instead of Jobs that made him the real genius?
I'm not saying your wrong, I just don't get how that story validates your statement, true or not.


Originally Posted by Phredreeke
Cancer sucks but I'm not sure he's really the legend he's made out to be.




 
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7th October, 2011 at 00:18:37 -

He might have done stupid things when he was younger but who didn't ?
That surely wouldn't take his status as a legend or whatever you'd call him, you don't need to be gandhi or mother teresa to reach that status. One thing you can't take away from him, he was incredibly successful at what he did and he loved it so much he kept at it until he had only little more than a month to live. That's what made him huge, and that's why everyone is grieving him now, even people who are indifferent to apple products like me.

I recommend anyone to watch his keynotes and interviews, there is a huge lot you can learn from him regardless of whether or not you like him or his work.
I recommend this one speech in particular:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UF8uR6Z6KLc
Pretty much sums the man up.

 
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7th October, 2011 at 00:42:01 -

Also wozniak wasn't the real genius. Apple reached it's peak in these later years and wozniak has been out of the company for almost 25 years. He deserves credit for the Apple I and II, booting up the company but that's about it.

 
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7th October, 2011 at 01:09:50 -


Originally Posted by Johnny Look
Apple reached it's peak in these later years



In other words, when Apple products became a fashion statement...

 
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I respect the man and absolutely hate the company and it's cult followers

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