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15th April, 2011 at 04:46:44 -

Poll: Are games art?
Yes. - 22 votes
No. - 4 votes
It depends. - 13 votes
Possibly. - 3 votes
I haven't decided yet. - 0 votes
I don't know. - 0 votes

I think most games could be qualified as art, to some degree.

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15th April, 2011 at 05:27:26 -

I think that like it or not, games are art. Every single one.

 
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15th April, 2011 at 06:25:06 -

Not only are they art, they are the highest form of art. It's a combination of everything, music, visuals story. It has one thing that sets it apart from all other forms of art, it's interactive. The player is fully immersed in the game with the choices they can make.

 
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15th April, 2011 at 07:11:40 -

Derp. Its not a debate, its just most people don't have a clue, especially when the clueless have the loudest voice. They think art = shit. When art basically = the good stuff.

 
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15th April, 2011 at 07:49:56 -

Is looking at a painting art?
Is playing a video game art?

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Is a painting art?
Is a video game art?

 
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15th April, 2011 at 13:12:16 -

Here's a master critic of the cinema on whether or not games today are art. The short answer from him is "no."

http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/2010/04/video_games_can_never_be_art.html

Anyone care to counter this?

 
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15th April, 2011 at 13:26:31 -

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If that's art, video games are art.

 

  		
  		

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15th April, 2011 at 14:36:50 -

What is art? Does people think about it often enough? Often people picture famous paintings, and traditional art, but what does the word art really mean?

It's like asking, what's "god", it it in the dictionary? Some have a lot to say about "god", but are they entitled to force everyone to believe what "god" means to them?

I'm not going to tell anyone that they should believe games are art. To me, art means beauty. That's how I like to see it, if a man can find beauty in it, then he is facing art... life is the art of god!

All in all, are games art? I definitely think so, yes! A game is a composition of experiences, shapes, colors, sound, everything. And who is to say it isn't art? I wouldn't let anyone stick their belief into me without a good explanation, even if leonardo da vinci came to me and tried to tell me just to believe games aren't art. Same thing if the Pope wanted to convert me to christianism, just because, I'd tell him to piss of BYATCH! and he'd die from a heart attack, because he's human, just as I am, and neither him or anyone else has the right to tell me what to believe!!

POWER TO THE PEOPLE!!

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15th April, 2011 at 15:28:53 -

I voted no. Art is just a tag, made meaningless by being applied to anything and everything. Games are much more than that.

 
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15th April, 2011 at 15:35:36 -

Don't be fooled by the braindead. They'll put a toilet/poo etc. in a gallery and call it art. What most people mean when you hear them say "art" is "crap". Its basically a race to the bottom, rather than to the top (currently the highest art being videogames).

Can you imagine people in awe when they see great statues for the first time? Would they be in awe of a few squares on a canvas too? I bet the people who made cave paintings would be laughing at us.

 
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15th April, 2011 at 16:50:15 -

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If that's art, video games are art.

 
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15th April, 2011 at 17:47:36 -

I don't think there's a hierarchy that says that video games is the greatest art, with other arts below it. I don't consider all games to be art, neither do I consider all movies, music or books to be art.

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Art? Yeah right...

Problem is, what is art? Is it more artistic to make a flawed game that's never been done before, than to make a perfect game in an already established genre? For example, is Maniac Mansion more or less artistic than Monkey Island 2?

 
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15th April, 2011 at 18:36:14 -

I think the problem is in context. Theres no art in a 12 year old playing Duke Nukem 3d.
But the game itself- its enginework, its graphics, its music, its raw elements, its cohesiveness- they are all art.

Can you appreciate the art of a game playing it? Of course. Could you jerk off to a nude painting? Of course.
The problem is in context- those like Ebert looking to tie the interactions of games to their artistry.
Would we call the Mona Lisa "art", if humans had no eyes and ate paintings? If it was little more than a meal?

The experience chosen is irrelevant. What was created is still the same.

 
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15th April, 2011 at 20:26:50 -


Originally Posted by Pixelthief
I think the problem is in context. Theres no art in a 12 year old playing Duke Nukem 3d.
But the game itself- its enginework, its graphics, its music, its raw elements, its cohesiveness- they are all art.

Can you appreciate the art of a game playing it? Of course. Could you jerk off to a nude painting? Of course.
The problem is in context- those like Ebert looking to tie the interactions of games to their artistry.
Would we call the Mona Lisa "art", if humans had no eyes and ate paintings? If it was little more than a meal?

The experience chosen is irrelevant. What was created is still the same.



More or less what I was thinking. Playing the game isn't art, but the game itself is, in some way. That's probably why Ebert claimed games were not and could not be art: he never made one.

I don't know if I'd call games the "highest form of art" yet, but it does combine other forms of art to make an entirely new form of art, so I suppose it's possible.

Another reason games could be considered art is because they are made from the ground up with, like Pixelthief said, raw elements. They're more or less made the same way songs are: There are 12 different types of musical notes, but when placed in an intricate fashion, they form something greater.

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15th April, 2011 at 20:48:22 -

I'm gonna say "no."

Mainly because games that try to be "art" (like Knytt) usually suck.

 
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