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8th February, 2011 at 16:18:33 -

I'm sure there are millions of threads on the internet about this already yet I want to beat the horse while it isn't dead yet because I think the whole topic is still pretty "fresh".

Flash VS HTML5

Does flash even stand a chance? What exactly is HTML5 even capable of. I guess if this is cleared we can say if FLASH will die eventually.

What do people use Flash for?

1) Annoying ads

-> Annoying ads can be blocked easily with pop up blockers. Maybe it will get a tiny bit tricker to block those if they are embedded into a site properly with HTML5 so PLUS for ad agencies?

2) Flash animations

-> HTML 5 will play H264 videos just fine. SADLY the majority of people *sigh* doesn't care about SWF files. They rather watch them converted on youtube. Also a lot of people do very advanced stuff in flash so no one can play it proberly so they will export all the stills and load them into flash as sequence.

So while I think flash animations might not die we won't see them as PURE SWFs anymore (just for the sake of cellphones for example)

3) Games

-> I don't know how powerful HTML5 is. I don't know it's technical specs. Can it run a lot of parallax stuff smoothly for example? I have no idea

4) websites

-> blah blah blah all the points I already brought up above / I think they will all switch to HTML5 if it works well so iphone/ipod fags won't have to cry about it and it will also run smoothly on my android which is supposed to play flash just fine which it doesn't - lag-o-rama

I also just think you will be able to navigate way better inside a HTML5 page. You can link way better to HTML5 pages. You can do a keyword search , place your ads and have googles spiders crawl all over your HTML5 page. Nothing flash is capable off so html5 seems to beat this round as well.

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So what's your opinion?

I hate Steve Jobs / hope he drops dead / I love Flash

but I guess I just have to face reality and stop dreaming.

 
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8th February, 2011 at 16:21:46 -

I always hated flash (even tho I am making money since we got the swf runtime), I love HTML5. I am pretty sure anything you can do in flash is possible in HTML5, and more. It is just that currently the whole browsergame world is java and flash based.

 
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8th February, 2011 at 16:24:26 -

I thought this horse died a year or two ago...

 
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8th February, 2011 at 16:27:39 -

Flash is going to be very hard to kill off.

I've hardly encountered HTML5. Once it's a regular occurrence, maybe it could eventually supplant flash, but it's not going to be soon.

 

  		
  		

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8th February, 2011 at 18:18:50 -

Here's a game that uses HTML 5

try it on your iphone...it works full speed!!!

http://playbiolab.com/

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8th February, 2011 at 18:34:40 -

oh wow hayo you make money with flash? how so? and how much do they pay ?

currently its java and flash true while i think java is pretty dead by now as well. people dont like to download java and often its a pain in the ass to get it to run on different PCs. flash seems almost way more common but with HTML 5 we dont need to tackle the plug in obstacle.

BUT - will clockteam support this?

WOW thanks man! this is the first html5 game i have ever seen. its just so weird. i alwasy right click to see the flash context menu but there IS NONE. this isnt flash- its html5

i am impressed

I am wondering where those people are from. The names suggest german and the fact it uses the great X & C controls and not fucking Z and X (i could punch people for using those) hints to them being German as well.

also the first thing I have noticed and I instantly loved this about html5: i dont need to click into the window so that it gets the focus and i can keep on playing. this still confuses people about flash lol

Shame it doesn't work on Froyo. Oh android why do you just suck so badly? First I get some annoying Flash ad which works well and wont fuck off so i click on "play biolab" and i get a loading bar and it stops at 1/4 :C

impact looks like a pretty interesting program. i am wondering how exactly it works / checking all the provided info.

also the game probably works in fire fox on android but i cant press C or X so i will never know haha

 
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8th February, 2011 at 18:40:57 -

On my idevice there are on-screen buttons.

It should work if you can change your user-agent to mobile or something similar.

More info here:
http://impactjs.com/documentation/impact-on-mobile-platforms

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8th February, 2011 at 18:44:56 -

@ Meister M: Flashgamelicense.com. Mainly converting old games and making some new games with Steve Harris, who got pretty good at this stuff

 
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Originally Posted by MasterM
WOW thanks man! this is the first html5 game i have ever seen. its just so weird. i alwasy right click to see the flash context menu but there IS NONE. this isnt flash- its html5

i am impressed

I am wondering where those people are from. The names suggest german and the fact it uses the great X & C controls and not fucking Z and X (i could punch people for using those) hints to them being German as well.

also the first thing I have noticed and I instantly loved this about html5: i dont need to click into the window so that it gets the focus and i can keep on playing. this still confuses people about flash lol

Shame it doesn't work on Froyo. Oh android why do you just suck so badly? First I get some annoying Flash ad which works well and wont fuck off so i click on "play biolab" and i get a loading bar and it stops at 1/4 :C

If you wait, it actually finishes loading. Works just fine on Froyo.

 
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Originally Posted by Jon Lambert

Originally Posted by MasterM
WOW thanks man! this is the first html5 game i have ever seen. its just so weird. i alwasy right click to see the flash context menu but there IS NONE. this isnt flash- its html5

i am impressed

I am wondering where those people are from. The names suggest german and the fact it uses the great X & C controls and not fucking Z and X (i could punch people for using those) hints to them being German as well.

also the first thing I have noticed and I instantly loved this about html5: i dont need to click into the window so that it gets the focus and i can keep on playing. this still confuses people about flash lol

Shame it doesn't work on Froyo. Oh android why do you just suck so badly? First I get some annoying Flash ad which works well and wont fuck off so i click on "play biolab" and i get a loading bar and it stops at 1/4 :C

If you wait, it actually finishes loading. Works just fine on Froyo.



oh wow i will try that. ive waited for 5 minutes and nothing would happen. that seemed like a long enough time for me especially given the fact my phone is faster than my shit ass connection ive got for my pc.

what phone are you btw?

samsung galaxy S i9000 here

 
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8th February, 2011 at 21:50:39 -

Here's a cool collection of html5 games.

They all work on the iPhone just fine

http://www.kesiev.com/akihabara/

I think I might try my hand at something like this now.

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8th February, 2011 at 22:14:09 -

I'm using the Motorola Droid X (also known as Milestone X).

 
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There's some profanity, but his points are valid and I agree with what he says.

 
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I don't agree with him on app pricing though.

I think apps are underpriced.

There are exceptions of course, but for most I'd say they could get away with charging more.

 
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9th February, 2011 at 12:44:25 -

I do hope HTML 5 will take over, seems a lot is possible with it.

Although I fundamentally agree with that dude talking about the ipad I disagree with not being able to do what I want with my hardware. He is happy letting Mr Jobs control what he can run on it... I just do not understand that mentality at all. I really do not like some of Apples policies.

I really detest hardware platforms with built in OS constraints against software. I really wanted the crunchpad to come out and obliterate the ipad, but that fell through due to corporate greed... http://techcrunch.com/2009/06/03/crunchpad-the-launch-prototype/

Would have been ace, could have run any OS you fancy (within reason)... Thats life I guess.

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