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5th March, 2009 at 16:59:05 -

yeah im already finding out how much more control ill have, because MMF2 seems to only work with if statements. using these languages i get to play with the else statements, switch statements, and all kinds of different styles of loops.

its already starting to look very simple, its just learning the actual wording of the language. I only made it through 68 pages last night, but thats because im trying to get a full grasp of things and doing the tutorials, but it still feels like everything is kind of coming naturally.

i might stick with c# untill i get through a few books, but i might go and start learning C++ then afterwards. what exactly is Allegro, cecil said it was a book? confused

 
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5th March, 2009 at 20:07:29 -

Allegro is a so called Library. Basically a bunch of functions that you can use in your project. For example, Allegro makes it so you don't have to program the routines that do the actual drawing of graphics on the screen - you just have to tell it what and where to draw.

You might want to start with C++ when it comes to learning though. C# can be a bit overwhelming if you don't have concepts like object oriented programming and such under control. But when you finally get to know C# it's really nice

 
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6th March, 2009 at 01:02:12 -

i said allegro was an sdk and i mentioned a book (books are really where you should start. learning the theory, proper useage, syntax, etc while learning first hand by doing examples) that was about using it. an sdk is a system developer kit. allegro doesnt really fall under that and is more technically just a game and media "library".

 
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Does anybody else think Ms. Chloecakes is Phizzy's alt?

I don't know why, haha. (No offense).

Visual Basic was really fun to learn and it's also object-oriented programming but there were a lot of limitations I found while using it. This was version 6, I don't know if they've updated it or not yet. I'd recommend trying out a language because I find although my knowledge of that stuff is outdated nowadays the basis for doing certain things for games is still the same. So if you spend enough time figuring out how to accomplish tasks using VB6 you can pretty much apply similar methods elsewhere.

One big challenge I had before was trying to create the object arrays I'd used extensively with VB6 over to MMF1.5. You can work around it, but it was pretty hard. Plus I'm sure the coding was sloppy as all hell.

Hmmmm, what was I talking about again?

 
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Originally Posted by Muz
Lua: http://www.lua.org/
MUD is one of those online, multiplayer text-based RPGs.



Damn, I remember in the early 90's I tried this text-only game called Rivers of MUD. It was the basically the first online experience I'd ever had where you could play with hundreds of other people at once. It was pretty cool to say the least, fastest 5 hours ever spent.

 
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alright, so after reading a bit through the C# book ("programming C#" by jesse liberty), i noticed the subjects kind of bounced around, the book was horrible, it threw in topics that they had not gone over, and put in code that had not even taught. it was like they pointed out some random code that did something, and they were all like "well this was supposed to do this, and heres a terrible explaination that will confuse the hell out of you, but worry about that later" how the hell am i not supposed to worry? the code im practicing is based largely on the knowledge of this code.

so rather than bounce around and confuse myself more, i picked up a C++ book at the liberary ("C++ programming fundamentals" by chuck easttom) i wouldve picked up some of the books you guys listed but they had a poor selection of C++ books, but this book is actually very good. ive made it to chapter six so far and it reads really easy, but im understanding the topics covered in the C# book alot easier with this one. sure i like the syntax a bit better with C#, but this book does a good job of explaining things in an understanding way, and it includes a summary and test at the end of each chapter, which brings up another point. the C# book crams 50 different subjects into each chapter, while this book keeps the subjects down to a few each chapter. on top of that, it also has a few chapters at the back of the book for industry specific examples, one of which is a simple game which im interested in progressing too, and maybe when i finish it, ill post it up on the forums here (ill be sure to add my own personal touch to it).

im taking this one chapter at a time, so wish me luck guys! and thanks for all your help!

 
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8th March, 2009 at 08:57:16 -

just a little quick note.

you can find a lot of good books in used condition for cheap on amazon. i got my "windows sockets network programming" book for like $4. used books usually range from the obscenely low priced like that one to about $40 to $50 max. havent looked yet but ebay should be a good market for getting really cheap books.

 
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8th March, 2009 at 10:59:51 -


Originally Posted by miss chloecakes
alright, so after reading a bit through the C# book ("programming C#" by jesse liberty), i noticed the subjects kind of bounced around, the book was horrible, it threw in topics that they had not gone over, and put in code that had not even taught. it was like they pointed out some random code that did something, and they were all like "well this was supposed to do this, and heres a terrible explaination that will confuse the hell out of you, but worry about that later" how the hell am i not supposed to worry? the code im practicing is based largely on the knowledge of this code.


Lol, the tougher the subject, the more it bounces around. Ironically, sometimes the best books bounce around the most. But yeah, you have to pick one that's at your level. No point on focusing on something you can't handle.

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8th March, 2009 at 16:23:21 -

oh yeah, totally. im sure if i go through the C# book now, i can get a bit further, and im sure id have to stop again and read something else that explains it better, but all in all im getting a good grasp of things.

 
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8th March, 2009 at 17:36:24 -

I program mostly in MMF2, but I also do Malbolge.

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8th March, 2009 at 19:11:47 -

I hear C# was getting rather bloated. C++ is a better choice, I think.

 
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8th March, 2009 at 19:26:07 -

it prolly just doesnt like so many strangers fiddling with its source code area.

 
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Originally Posted by Pixelthief
I program mostly in MMF2, but I also do Malbolge.

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ever try brainfuck? esoteric languages are the shit

 
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8th March, 2009 at 20:33:26 -

silly cecil, coding is not a food.

 
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Best programming language ever:
http://lolcode.com/

 
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