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Hey guys. Been a while since I posted or even visited. How is everyone?

I was browsing the net today and found a new Mystery App. Check this out:
http://stencyl.com/

Apparently it is supposed to make game creation fun and easy, it's going to be free, cross-platform, extensible and working standalone and in browsers.

So what do you think? Is it going to be something cool and/or competitive to Clickteam? I myself am pretty curious as to what it's going to look like, even when I'm not using these kind of tools anymore.


...Also, the logo kind of reminds me of Scirra. With the gear and all.

 
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Looks suspicious. Plus, they're full of poo when they say,

"We'll admit it. Game creators have been around for 20 years now, but in recent years, there's been very little innovation or advancement.

Nobody's genuinely tackled the problem of making game creation easier and more accessible. Everybody has made their programs more powerful, but by doing this, they have also made them more complex and more convoluted."

I can think of at least five gajillion game creation tools besides Clickteam's line. They either
a) Weren't powerful enough to make truly unique games
b) Were too off-balance and weird. O_o (Game maker)
c) Pretty much stunk.
d) all of the above.

It'll be hard to eat into Clickteam's fan base.

 

  		
  		

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It's so cheap that they used their Mii's in the about section

http://www.stencyl.com/network/company-info.html

 
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This should be interesting... _

 
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Can't really judge this at all since they refuse to show anything as of yet. All i can say is do we really need another 2D development tool? Especially when MMF/TGF already has such a huge userbase with so many plug-ins. Why didn't they try something not done yet, like a 3D development tool that's as easy and as versatile as MMF/TGF?

 
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That'd be nice. I would totally use it. I wonder if Click will come out with a Jamagic 2?

 
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you guys missed the whole fact that they havent updated since august of LAST year. almost exactly 6 months ago. they said they would launch "this year" LAST year. that sounds like a whole lot of fail to me.

edit-the blog. i guess the forum is active.


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by the way, keeping the public shut out of its production is a sure fire way to quickly gain interest for their product and then lose most of it due to lack of anything to show for your work. at this point, if it comes out and costs money, we should all spam construct on the forums. i mean even game maker only costs 20$ for the full version and has a free version.

what arrogant pricks saying that other game creation tools only cator to programmers. i have one title and a name, dr. james. case and point that game creation tools dont ONLY cator to programmers, but designers and artists alike.

 
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You're right and yes we did miss that one. My guess is it wasn't gonna be good

 
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not sure if you missed my edit but the site doesnt seem to be updated since august but the forum had an update thread for january (no idea why it wasnt on the site) apologizing for not keeping their promise about releasing their product in beta form for 2008.

the forum also looks like a bunch of 15 or under kids. maplestory avatars? come on. and their logo looks awfully close to constructs.

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haha i totally skimmed the post saw the link and just posted and didnt even see the whole original post.

good, how are you vincent?

i see you spoke of it being free. still its not open source or even public yet (not cool). cross platform standalone and webbrowser is actually a good selling point, but content will determine whether that pulls through or not.

the logo similarities put me off, especially since stencyl's looks like crap.

all aside i dont think this has anything on any current game creation tools. clickteam is still king, and construct seems to be its only viable successor. lets hope for a fantastic stable release.

 
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Oh poo, how rude of me!

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Originally Posted by -Adam-
It's so cheap that they used their Mii's in the about section

http://www.stencyl.com/network/company-info.html
Using Mii's doesn't really have a relation with the product being cheap, right?


you guys missed the whole fact that they havent updated since august of LAST year. almost exactly 6 months ago. they said they would launch "this year" LAST year. that sounds like a whole lot of fail to me.


You're right, I didn't even notice because the forums have pretty recent dates... And here I thought that this was a pretty recent thing.

I have the feeling that this is going to end up abandoned, after having read a bit more about it and finding that date.

 
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quoted from the most recent january forum update

"Thereís absolutely no problem with Stencylís development, and we arenít a company hawking vaporware. The main reason we're taking our time can be summed up in one word: quality. No matter what we release, we want it to meet our standards, and for beta, we have a checklist of items that must be all fulfilled for us to begin that program."

all that tells me is that they have SOMETHING but its crap atm. if i were them, since they have absolutely nothing but their WORD that the product is good, at least RELEASE SOME GODDAMN SCREENS! or a short video.

 
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Of course they'd say that, but in all honesty it means nothing, especially for something quite big like this.

 
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It looks fishy. >_O

 

  		
  		

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Originally Posted by DaVince [Ectoprods]
Of course they'd say that, but in all honesty it means nothing, especially for something quite big like this.



whoa i forgot my end bold tag. but yeah that was my point. they seem to be promising a lot and not doing any showing. false promises mean nothing. for their sake i hope they deliver. although it seems small enough that i dont think it should hurt them.

 
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They started making Stencyl ages ago - well before "Construct" appeared in fact. I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for its release.

The website used to have a lot more information than it does now (it's gone into "stealth mode" apparently).
From what I remember, it didn't look anywhere near as flexible as MMF. I think it was more "modular".
They did have a demo of a surprisingly good "Fire Emblem" clone, to show what it was capable of though, along with a fairly average platformer.

 
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It'll never be as good as Construct... Err, I mean, MMF2.

 
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Originally Posted by Sketchy

From what I remember, it didn't look anywhere near as flexible as MMF..



On the website, doesn't it talk about how you don't need to know programing language? BUT isn't there something also about how you can code program into it too? Making it more flexible?

 
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here, just found this googling:
http://stencyl.org/category/stencyl-pre-release/

"A glorified level editor" basically. You choose a "kit" such as "platformer" or "strategy", and then just change the graphics, level design etc.

It's certainly not going to be any kind of competition for clickteam or construct.

And the only way to extend it is if you know java.

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Yup, another cookie-cutter game maker, as I thought.

 

  		
  		

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Originally Posted by Sketchy
They started making Stencyl ages ago - well before "Construct" appeared in fact. I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for its release.

The website used to have a lot more information than it does now (it's gone into "stealth mode" apparently).
From what I remember, it didn't look anywhere near as flexible as MMF. I think it was more "modular".
They did have a demo of a surprisingly good "Fire Emblem" clone, to show what it was capable of though, along with a fairly average platformer.



thats funny since THEY say it wasn't founded until january 2008.

but if what you say about it being modular and as simple as choosing a "kit" and just changing some key things like graphics and maybe some physics based stuff etc, then something like this could be MADE in mmf.

 
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They only became a "Limited Liability Company" in January 2008.

 
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Originally Posted by Sketchy
They only became a "Limited Liability Company" in January 2008.



im sorry, but there seems to be a ton of discrepency. not only, and i quote "We founded the company in January 2008 and began work that same month" but googling also shows otherwise "Founded in November 2006, Stencyl is the free game creation platform that empowers everybody with the ability to make games of all types."

whois http://whois.domaintools.com/stencyl.com
also shows that the site was made at the end of 2006, but everything else suggests mid 2007 to its actual existence and 2008 to its actual production.

construct was in 0.8 beta for its first gpl release 3/4 through 2007, and as its only gone to 0.98.5 recently it very well may have started before stencyl. a further whois search for scirra shows that it was created 5-6 months before stencyl. http://whois.domaintools.com/scirra.com
in june of 2006.

construct came first according to my research

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Okay...

http://forums.stencyl.com/showthread.php?tid=5475&page=2

My personal theory is that they both came up with the same logo independently, most likely while eating a bag of monster munch.
And even if they did steal the logo (which I admit is a possibility, given that Stencyl doesn't even begin with the letter "C"), at least they didn't steal the entire program concept (like Construct did from MMF).

Either way, I think it's fair to say that even if Stencyl is ever actually released, it is not going to be an MMF-killer.

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Guys and i am all for some good healty competition with clickteam, this stencyl thing is more of a Java based software package to create games. Meaning even if you write this as a stand alone the "game" still wants to connect to the stencyl site to get some data. You can see this more as a do it yourself flash game making program. Mmf and even construct are worlds apart. Now thats not to say its not interesting and kinda cool but i dont think clickteam should shudder just yet.


 
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The only MMF killer is that thingy Microsoft is working on. Even if it doesn't do well, Microsoft has the money to buy out Clickteam

 
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Yea, the only thing Microsoft has over Clickteam though is the money and power. That thing they're cooking up comes nowhere CLOSE to MMF.

 

  		
  		

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Originally Posted by Sketchy
Okay...

http://forums.stencyl.com/showthread.php?tid=5475&page=2

My personal theory is that they both came up with the same logo independently, most likely while eating a bag of monster munch.
And even if they did steal the logo (which I admit is a possibility, given that Stencyl doesn't even begin with the letter "C"), at least they didn't steal the entire program concept (like Construct did from MMF).

Either way, I think it's fair to say that even if Stencyl is ever actually released, it is not going to be an MMF-killer.



this needs to stop. yes, there are a lot of similarities, the creator worked for clickteam, etc. but anyone with an unbiased opinion who has EVER used construct knows it is far from a clone of mmf. there are more major differences than there are subtle similarities. most of the features are community requested. and the community wants things that mmf can do. stop saying they stole the idea.

 
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LOL. You're saying the row needs to stop, but then you're just continuing it by voicing your own opinion. If a row needs to stop, just say so and say nothing about either of them

 
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an accusation is different than an opinion.

 
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"but anyone with an unbiased opinion who has EVER used construct knows it is far from a clone of mmf"

That's an opinion, dear. And of course there will be people who disagree, thus taking the argument further. I'm not quite sure why you've turned this thread into a MMF VS construct war anyway, it's about "Stencyl"

 
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I'm just giving my opinion, same as anyone else here. For the record, I have tried Construct.
I have no intention of getting drawn into some long debate over the merits of Construct/MMF2, so I'll leave it at that.

 
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Originally Posted by -Adam-
"but anyone with an unbiased opinion who has EVER used construct knows it is far from a clone of mmf"

That's an opinion, dear. And of course there will be people who disagree, thus taking the argument further. I'm not quite sure why you've turned this thread into a MMF VS construct war anyway, it's about "Stencyl"



yes i know. thats what i said.
saying they stole is an accusation. suggesting similarities or differences is an opinion.

how does defending against an accusation like "at least they didn't steal the entire program concept (like Construct did from MMF)." make me the instigator of "a MMF VS construct war" when my preceeding post had NOTHING to do with mmf and had everything to do with stencyl which, like you said, this thread is about, adam? just curious.

 
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But you're the one wanting it to stop? If you want something to stop you just don't mention it again

 
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Back to the topic in hand - all the videos on the pre-release site have been removed either by the user for violation of terms. seems we'll never get to see it now

 
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This is pretty old, but its worth a look at...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QF60pgrh8a4

I doubt the the program has changed much,
it looks like just a glorified level editor.

 
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"it looks like just a glorified level editor."

That's all most people really want anyway.

That's why RPGmaker is so popular. Sure it usually makes a terribly boring game that's exactly like every other Rpgmaker game, but that's basically how one full on turn-based battle system RPG compares to another one anyways so it works well for fans of that genre.

If there were a complete level creation set which would contain "Stencyls" for the easy creation of each genre, even though those genre games were exactly alike as other games of that same genre, except for storyline and levels built, don't you think people would buy it ?

I do.

I'm thinking of making something like that ... you know how complicated even TGF is to most people ? ... I tried to get my little cousin to make games with it ... he tried it for a few minutes and gave up before he even got started. People, especially children, want instant gratification.

Hell, if Stencyl comes out I'll try it if it's free.
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