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I've had my XP partition on Fat32 for compatibility and had no problems with it (barring the required scandisk when theres a crash). Are there any benefits on switching to NTFS?

Or better still is there a way to get XFS on XP?

 
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I'm not very well up on partitions but I'm using NTFS and find that not being able to access files from each partition can be very frustrating.
I *think* it's stable enough, not had any problems as such. BUT! When playing games, pressing the Alt key can result in an instant BSOD, not sure if thats related the partition or because I'm on a Mac.

Don't know what this XFS thing is!

 
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I'm not very well up on partitions but I'm using NTFS and find that not being able to access files from each partition can be very frustrating.
I *think* it's stable enough, not had any problems as such. BUT! When playing games, pressing the Alt key can result in an instant BSOD, not sure if thats related the partition or because I'm on a Mac.

Don't know what this XFS thing is!

 
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20th February, 2008 at 10:54:53 -

I used to get the BSOD whenever I changed volume or pressed the windows key on big 3D games running off a HFS+ drive. An external NTFS drive for games fixed that.

And XFS is the best file system out there. OSX can read it but not write yet I believe some of the big pro systems have it too.

 
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ext3 ftw. lol.

 
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I'm pretty sure you can't have single files over 2 gb when you use Fat32. So if you want to unpack say a dvd iso file you'll have a problem. Other than that I can't say I've noticed much difference. I have NTFS btw.

You can actually swith to NTFS without having to reformat the drive btw if that's what you are worried about.

 
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Ext2 > Ext3. Image

 
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ext4 > ext2 + ext3

 
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Go NTFS. It's safer when it comes to preserving data because it stores file information several times, and it's journaled which means it can keep track of what was going on on the hard disk (also to make things safer when it comes to storage).

Still, ext3 is one of the best FSes at the moment, but it only works in Linux (as a native disk anyway).

 
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Go NTFS. It's safer when it comes to preserving data because it stores file information several times, and it's journaled which means it can keep track of what was going on on the hard disk (also to make things safer when it comes to storage).

Still, ext3 is one of the best FSes at the moment, but it only works in Linux.

 
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thank you vince. yay linux

 
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What about defragging? My Fat32 disk needs a good defrag every week but my external NTFS scratch/game disk needs it every month. NTFS organises itself better?

 
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well if its the standard windows file system over fat32 then it has to be better in some way. not sure how. fat32 does get cluttered. ive never had to defrag my ntfs partitions. i check about every month but it tells me its fine and closes.

this looks helpful tho http://thundercloud.net/information-avenue/ntfs-vs-fat32/

 
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NTFS is generally faster and better.

 
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Hmm I thought it would have been the holy grail of Win filesystems. For compatibility I think I'll stick to Fat32... maybe. Fat32 was responsible for a huge catastrophic hard drive data loss a few years back.

 
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To what sort of "compatibility" do you gain from Fat32? The brain not adjusting correctly to better? I think that's a lot of peoples problems with updates, it's okay.

 
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Why are you being overly offensive? NTFS can't be written to in OSX.

 
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21st February, 2008 at 14:58:47 -

theres no reason to stay with fat32 unless you have xp and an old windows like 98 and before dual booting. and even then it would be better to have a fat32 partition AND an ntfs partition. if youre going to have to convert a bunch of files from fat 32 to ntfs then thats a different story. just start clean and with ntfs.

 
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No need to get offensive, Brandon

 
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I might switch to NTFS next time I do a Windows re-install... But I do like being able to send files to my Windows partition easily.

Can you get it to use more than 32gb with fat? If not then that's the main reason I'd switch.

 
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fat is limited. max file size on fat32 is 4 gb and max volume size is 32.

heres even more info on all the ntfs and fat filesystems side by side.

http://www.ntfs.com/ntfs_vs_fat.htm

 
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Originally Posted by Ben~
I might switch to NTFS next time I do a Windows re-install... But I do like being able to send files to my Windows partition easily.

Can you get it to use more than 32gb with fat? If not then that's the main reason I'd switch.



IIRC the limit is somewhere between 32 and 48gb. I'm sitting pretty since my XP partition is only 28gb, using only 12gb of it.

 
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apparently "2tb on some OS's" according to the link i posted for fat32. "32gb on all OS's."

 
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No need to get offensive, Brandon



How does asking what the point of staying with Fat32 was, any sort of sign that I was being offensive. I see no reason not to believe that this is your way of just trying to start another argument, seeing as the last few haven't exactly worked out in your favor, even though you still seem to feel that leaving with a smile on your face, changes that. So with that said, I've said what I wanted to say, and if anyone finds it offensive in any way, I don't apologize.
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Originally Posted by BrandonC
To what sort of "compatibility" do you gain from Fat32?



I'll have a pop now my shows finished;

What "compatibility" do I gain? How about write "compatibility" with other OS's?


The brain not adjusting correctly to better? I think that's a lot of peoples problems with updates, it's okay.



This is the OTT bit, just so you don't go away thinking you're right in this. Just like I won't update to Vista because there are performance cuts in my games, what you think is "better" isn't.

 
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I think if you use only one OS on a system. NTFS is better for Vista and Xp.

 
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Originally Posted by Dr. James

Originally Posted by BrandonC
To what sort of "compatibility" do you gain from Fat32?



I'll have a pop now my shows finished;

What "compatibility" do I gain? How about write "compatibility" with other OS's?


The brain not adjusting correctly to better? I think that's a lot of peoples problems with updates, it's okay.



This is the OTT bit, just so you don't go away thinking you're right in this. Just like I won't update to Vista because there are performance cuts in my games, what you think is "better" isn't.



Write incompatibility for other OS's? You would write an entire hard drive to fat32 just so you can potentially install other OS's in the future? Sounds silly, especially since a hard drive can have multiple partitions with both Fat32 and NTFS.

 
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The FAT file system is relatively uncomplicated, and is supported by virtually all existing operating systems for personal computers. This ubiquity makes it an ideal format for floppy disks and solid-state memory cards, and a convenient way of sharing data between disparate operating systems installed on the same computer (a dual boot environment).

The most common implementations have a serious drawback in that when files are deleted and new files written to the media, directory fragments tend to become scattered over the entire disk, making reading and writing a slow process. Defragmentation is one solution to this, but is often a lengthy process in itself and has to be performed regularly to keep the FAT file system clean. Defragmentation should not be performed on solid-state memory cards since they wear down eventually

aka fat32 sucks. i cant even believe somebody out there still uses it. welcome to the dos days.

 
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22nd February, 2008 at 13:26:24 -

Ohhh I have a quick question about NTFS - Should I be defragging?

 
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Brandon: We are using Fat32 because OS X can read and write to it whereas it can only read NTFS. Not because we want to install other OS' in the future.

Slink: Once in a while, yeah.

 
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22nd February, 2008 at 21:27:47 -

Well not to start an os war here, but need we much proof after saying that about os x?

I have mine defrag every wednesday at 7am while I'm at school. Recommended or not, I'm pleased with how quickly things pop up when I'm breezing through folders. I have little to no hitches at all, and picture previews all load instantly.

 
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So do I and I haven't ever defragged since I built it about 10 months ago. You don't NEED to defrag that often, especially not on NTFS!

How long does the defrag take, like 5 mins? There's no point in that..! You might as well go and buy Norton software!

 
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defrag take 5 mins?! i forced my comp to defrag my 120 gig hdd and it took over an hour.

 
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Most of my old computers used to take hours each time, some were like well over 6 hours! But my last PC only took about 20 minutes.

My iMac only takes 5 minutes!

 
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Even if you have Linux, FAT32 are useless now.
Linux has very good NTFS support now days.
NTFS has a key feature for me which is the compression.
I compress all of my disk and save space big time.

 
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Not needing to defrag that often is not something that really bugs me though, especially since when I do defrag, it's when I'm at school and by time I get home it's long since been finished. If it's not going to hurt the hard drive and only improve speed by less then a percent each time, then the question why could be asked, but in the same light, why not?

Defragging that often clearly doesn't mean that my PC is going to be so much faster then anyone elses, but it does mean that minor fragmentations every so often, are constantly cleaned up every week and they never have a chance to build up. A good way to compare it, is to ask why does a restaurant have to sweep the floors every morning and night, when theres nothing visible to be swept up. The answer, each time they sweep they keep it from building up.

 
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Don't go NTFS, go extended Journal and buy mac-drive. You should know better...
and definetly stray from fat32, huge library and no files over 4gb. That's insane
NTFS for PC, extended journal for macs running PC.

 
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23rd February, 2008 at 15:59:30 -

Little note about NTFS:

http://www.create-games.com/article.asp?id=1570

Most people know this, but just in case. It's good to have an application that can browse the alternate data stream, just so you know what's in there.

If you share files over multiple operating systems, why not just run Windows on an NTFS drive, OSX on a FAT32 drive, and maybe have a third FAT32 for files which you want to run on both.

 
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23rd February, 2008 at 18:40:38 -

Try reading my last post again - I was being rather sarcastic

 
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23rd February, 2008 at 22:52:59 -

I thought about doing that Dines, but all my external drives are fully in use with HFS+ or NTFS.

And I dunno what happened but everytime I run a game off my NTFS external it needs defragging, not too much but the previously solid blue blocks have become striped red/blue. Tis a bit annoying since I like to keep things all ship shaped.

 
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