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Only just discovered it. All I searched was "Mario". First result!



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30th January, 2008 at 15:24:37 -

It looks well coded but it still baffles me as to why anyone would spend so much time making a fan game. If I could code that well Id be making my own creations.

 
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30th January, 2008 at 21:45:49 -

Some people, like me, lack inspiration for good characters, storylines, and game mechanic ideas.

 
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Eh? Doom characters?

 
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31st January, 2008 at 09:26:10 -

..and halo, and megaman, and all sorts of other NOT-mario stuff. its kinda mario on steroids seeing as he can also pick up and use weapons. looked like there was a bug with the "note" blocks. we was sticking to the sides of em and jumping off of em.

 
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31st January, 2008 at 19:38:29 -


Originally Posted by Extremely Happy Adam
It looks well coded but it still baffles me as to why anyone would spend so much time making a fan game. If I could code that well Id be making my own creations.



Just to prove it's possible perhaps. There are plenty of people out there with absolutely nothing to do with their free time... this is the result.

 
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31st January, 2008 at 20:25:13 -

It seems weird to have a mixture of Mario graphics and all that dark stuff going on in the same game.

 
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1st February, 2008 at 02:30:31 -


Originally Posted by I am AndyUK (honest)
It seems weird to have a mixture of Mario graphics and all that dark stuff going on in the same game.



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2nd February, 2008 at 16:36:50 -

It's not an MMF game either anymore, the guy's making it in GameMaker.





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Originally Posted by Chris Street
It's not an MMF game either anymore, the guy's making it in GameMaker.





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Impressive. However, GameMaker is an abomination of indie development. Plus he didn't show off any of the Mega Man levels. *fires up army of Destroy-O-Bots*

 
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2nd February, 2008 at 22:07:44 -

omg GAME MAKER? HM!

Sorry guys, I didn't realise this.

 
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2nd February, 2008 at 22:10:07 -

snerlin just look at the related vids on the video's page and the second one is "super mario fusion: mario meets megaman"

 
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I downloaded it, its ok but the collision system is a little unforgiving.

 
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6th February, 2008 at 17:09:55 -

Guys, good games can definitely be made in GM. There just aren't as many as all the good Click games out there.

 
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6th February, 2008 at 17:48:31 -

Good games can be made in anything that accepts directions and doesn't lose performance in doing so. Unlike MMF though, Game Maker doesn't exactly hold up to it's name when it claims to make great games without writing a line of code. Multimedia Fusion does. Even expressions themselves, are capable of being piled up through a point and click interface.

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6th February, 2008 at 19:15:38 -

You could write games in malbolge if you so desired. Its more the idea that MMF/TGF differentiate from the norm programming languages by trading the raw power and configurability for ease of use and expedient creation. Most C++ projects can be completed in TGF in 1/100 the time development. I could create a game in one hour in TGF that might take a C++ programmer most of his spare time during a week.

However, with that ease of use comes extreme limitations. The architecture is artificially limited at every turn; only 3 (26) variables per object? Only 32 boolean flags? No built in arrays? No if/or/else statements, lol? And on top of that, if you want to create professional grade projects, things that work mathematically properly, you need to throw out all the "easy" options that MMF throws at you, such as built-in movements, built in music/sound players, built in "level frame" system, etc.

Its the sheer brilliance of using a grid-based programming architecture that makes kliking so worthwhile. The whole idea of coding being a matrix of conditions and events rather then poorly parsed english language, is what makes everything go 100x as fast as C or Java. If conventional programming were writing, this would be painting.


Game maker, on the other hand, basically is something along the same lines, but not as brazenly geared towards being expedient. The tradeoff doesn't work too hot when you consider that MMF2 is easily as powerful as game maker, anyway, so all you're getting is an environment thats more familiar to programmers who learned in conventional languages, even when its less efficient.

 
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6th February, 2008 at 20:05:16 -

I think you highly underestimate the power of MMF, if you can call it "extremely limited". No, it can't compare to C++ or anything, but MMF alone beats a lot of low to medium level programing languages out there.

 
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6th February, 2008 at 21:24:02 -

It beats hand drawn levels and mario-shaped macaroni pieces.

 
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6th February, 2008 at 21:35:03 -

haha pixelthief.
wouldnt each and every event essentially be an if statement? as the fastloops essentially are a for loop?

where are the do/do for/while loops? where are the previously stated built in arrays? why arent there double, float, long, short, unsigned, etc. variables? and on and on and on.(or maybe this is all adressed in tgf2 and mmf1.5/mmf2?)

all in all, although clickteams mmf is powerful, it is essentially also very limited. theres nothing in comparison to raw programming power.

as for beating low level to medium programming languages Brandon, i think you are completely wrong. although its harder to use and learn, Assembly is very capable of making amazing games. ive seen amazing raycasting, vector, 2d platform games, etc. made in assembly. and although Basic is considered a higher level language ive seen pretty good 3d rendering done. mmf may beat out most in ease of use and understanding, but i wouldnt say it beats them in terms of functionality. and i dont think it ever will unless they include a way to include your own code as well as event coding.

 
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