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1st November, 2006 at 10:04:55 -

Which is why I asked for screenshots of Wii games that actually do look like they couldn't be run on an overclocked gamecube.
You defeat your own point by calling it an 'overclocked' gamecube, thereby conceding that it is, in fact, more powerful.

My main issue with the Wii isn't just graphical splendour, but the fact that it's AI will be more limited
Apparently you have absolutely no idea how AI routines work. A good calculator could keep up with modern games in terms of AI.

and it will never be able to handle vast Oblivion like worlds with loads of characters on screen quite as well as it's competitors.
LESS POWER = LESS POWER?

ANOTHER ASTOUNDING REVELATION!

Yes, I know I'm basing perceptions of the graphics, but that generally is the earmark of general power. I doubt they'd put in a super powerful CPU and a crappy GPU.
You really don't know what you're talking about, do you? The GPU handles the bulk of graphics processing, which should probably be evident in the name. Graphical performance has nothing to do with anything else, which you hugely overestimate. A dedicated CPU needn't be 'super powerful' if the architecture is designed around a specific goal--something in this case the Wii has going for it, since it's not meant to be a media center from the ground-up.

Nintendo have overpriced things before.
The Wii isn't overpriced, the other two are underpriced. This concept isn't difficult. Look up 'loss leader', then look up Microsoft's console division takings on the Xbox.

Meanwhile, in Europe, we're getting charged the equiv. of $315.
I touched this tangentially in that stupid thread with phredreeke. Europe does get raped when it comes to electronics. By everyone.
Wii: US$249, 249 (US$315) | 315-249=US$66 markup
360: US$399, 399 (US$500) | 500-399=US$101 markup
PS3: US$599, 599 (US$750) | 750-599=US$151 markup

It is not "several times". They initially said 2-3 times and it looks like it's even less than that.
Last time I checked 2-3 counts as 'several'. Is English not your first language or are you just an idiot? I'd really like to hear how you know more about the hardware performance than Nintendo, it must be really wierd to live in a universe where time runs backwards.

It was mainly the best designed because it was ridiculously cheap to make.
Again, if you weren't such a fucking fanboy, or even knew anything at all about hardware, you couldn't possibly make claims like these. The GCN was exceptionally well-designed. It was cheap, yes, AND powerful, build solidly and compactly, with brilliant architecture that dropped apparent load times almost to cart level. The boards of the others, even the PS2's redesign, where oversized, expensive, flimsy and overcomplicated in comparison.
This isn't subjective. Everyone that knows what they're talking about aknowledges that the GCN was the best-designed of the last generation from an engineering standpoint.

The Cube was $200 when it was a top of the line console.
The Wii is $250 when it is very, very much at the bottom of the line.

Yes, sometimes different products are priced differently. It sucks. Especially when they're made of different components. Take bread and lear jets for example. It's even worse when they don't give you hardware for free, huh?
While you're looking up that other homework I gave you, I'd check out 'inflation' and 'consumer perceived value' as well.

SSB was a first generation Gamecube game. Of course Brawl is going to use a better model.

They're also using the Twilight Princess Link, a game which runs on the GAMECUBE and doesn't look notably worse than the Mario model.

Nice contradiction you have there. I'm playing Justice For All now with my free hand, I wish it was this easy.

 
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1st November, 2006 at 14:20:18 -

Yeah Kittie, sorry, but your last post made it obvious how little you actually know about the state of things when it comes to consoles. I give you credit for trying though.

 
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2nd November, 2006 at 02:28:22 -

The Cube was $200 when it was a top of the line console.
The Wii is $250 when it is very, very much at the bottom of the line.


If the price is that shocking to you then maybe you should jus wait for the price to drop, because unlike you I've only known about the system since last year. I just got me a job and I've already saved up enough for one. The fact that the Wii is new and something different than the other consoles makes it worth the price to me. Especialy considering you already know great games like Zelda and Brawl will be comming out for it.

 
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2nd November, 2006 at 08:21:20 -

Not to mention the new Metroid Prime

 
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2nd November, 2006 at 17:18:23 -

The fact that the Wii is new and something different than the other consoles makes it worth the price to me.

Reminds me of another Nintendo console...
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2nd November, 2006 at 17:20:58 -

Yeah? This won't have a red, head-hurting semi-3D thingy.

 
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2nd November, 2006 at 18:12:50 -

You know, if you calibrated the damn thing right, it didn't give you headaches. VB was alright, wasn't worth NEARLY what they tried to charge for it though. I picked mine up for like $25 with 4 games well after the system died from TOTAL lack of support.

Kept it in the trunk of my car, it fit perfectly in the hole in my steering wheel, so it was easy to play.

 
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2nd November, 2006 at 21:41:10 -

Virtual Boy was fucking awesome. If the games support had been kept up it would've been worth it; nothing else at the time offered that kind of functionality.

 
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2nd November, 2006 at 21:56:44 -

I remember playing Mario Tennis for the VB! I sucked at it .

 
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Mario Clash was awesome, that and Wario were my fav's

 
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3rd November, 2006 at 03:21:36 -

What was mario clash?

 
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3rd November, 2006 at 07:32:28 -

a 3d remake of the original mario bros. in glorious red and black.

 
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9th November, 2006 at 18:15:58 -

They are shit. I don't see how they got so highly rated and felt posh. I mean their hardware has always been shit. PS2 DVD player? Didn't even get an upgrade. I had one of them HiFi stacks years back, the amp eventually broke. So I started to use my dads amp he bought in the 70's. Minidisc player? Laser stopped reading. Oh and MP3 overtake them so what do they do? Keep the prices the same but make them in PLASTIC!

Sorry if this is incoherent. My anguish for Sony products is too great.

Even my PSP had 12 dead pixels. PS1 laser died. PS2 laser died. Car CD player died. that 'slide out' TV is a blatant, disgusting rip off of B&O. Fuck off Sony.

 
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9th November, 2006 at 18:27:59 -

My psp has 3 dead pixels and its pretty heavy for a handheld imo

 
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9th November, 2006 at 18:48:47 -

Tell you what though, actually fitting the PSP into my pocket made me chuffed. Sold it the next day. Portability Sony. It's a handheld. It's why there are more DS Lites or GB Micro's in pockets than Gameboys.

 
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