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14th September, 2006 at 14:43:18 -

Although there aren't too many out there nowadays, what is everyone's opinion about adventure games that don't have a save feature (or password) and that must be played in one sitting to win? The best example (and the most arduous) would be the old NES game "Blaster Master". I think that one was a 5 or 6 hour straight playthrough from start to finish if you were lucky, since there was no continue feature of any kind. So obviously a 6 hour klik marathon game is a bit much, but what about a 45 min to 1 hour game from start to finish? Would anybody here play through something like that, or is it too much of a deterrent to those who would rather play in brief stints throughout the day?

 
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14th September, 2006 at 14:45:03 -

45 minutes to an hour sounds good, but warn the players at the start about this somehow. Also, if it gets bigger than one hour of gameplay, probably one save or password feature somewhere in the middle would be good.

 
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14th September, 2006 at 15:01:35 -

I think they make great challenge games. R-Type with a save feature wouldn't be the same. It's a great measure of how dedicated you are too "I got to level 2!" "I got to level 3, you fucking wanker"

 
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14th September, 2006 at 15:06:41 -

45 minutes to an hour or so is absolutely fine in my view (when Crystal Towers was released people complained about the lack of a save feature in a half-hour run through!), but 5 or 6 hours is clearly mad. I remember two PC games that were especially guilty of this - Fire and Ice, and Fantastic Dizzy. Both were criminally long for not having a save feature, and it just meant that when you died after getting far into the game you couldn't be bothered to play it again for weeks.

 
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14th September, 2006 at 15:28:54 -

If it suits the gameplay mechanics, fuck yes. Don't trivialise a decent early console-style experience with a gratuitous save game feature. There's nothing outlandish about a 1-2 hour 'marathon'.

I got some negative responses when I told people I was stripping the save system from my game, but fuck them, they don't know shit.

 
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14th September, 2006 at 15:32:20 -

Saving is good.

 
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14th September, 2006 at 16:31:15 -

I remember with my old Nintendo 64, I didn't have some stupid expansion pack (and I really couldn't be bothered to buy one), so in some games I couldn't save at all. I used to sit and play Duke Nukem: Zero Hour for like 8 hours, and then have to start all over again next time. But it was fun anyway.

 
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14th September, 2006 at 17:51:47 -

Hmm, I don't think such a thing would work so well anymore.
Saving has become such a given in most games nowadays, especially for a long play-through. Whether or not it adheres to the quality and intensity of the marathon-like games of old, people would just tire of it or get frustrated if there were no saving of any sort. You just can't seem to get away with such things anymore.

Well, anyway, do as you must, but just realise that you might be alienating people, and that a frustrated gamer is less likely to try the game again.

 
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14th September, 2006 at 20:46:00 -

Wow, awesome!

I have a pretty good idea on how to keep it at a 1 hour straight shot, and also reward the player for playing through the game, or even playing through bits and pieces of it!

Now, it's not entirely original, but I was thinking of a points / rewards system the likes of Mario Party. So say if the Necromancer (this is Necropolis Rising I'm talking about) kills enemies, they'll all be recorded on an ini file or something. The same goes for magic spells, treasures, runes, and quests completed for EVERY game played. Then at the title screen, you can view your game logs and points, and then redeem them for prizes or in-game features. I'm excited as hell about this, because I personally really like it!

What do you guys think about that idea?

 
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14th September, 2006 at 23:18:03 -

Maybe you could do a Majora's Mask kinda save system? Saving ends the game session, and the save is deleted upon loading. That way the player can run through without constantly reloading at the same spot (which I guess is what you're trying to avoid), but can still take a break if he wants.

 
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15th September, 2006 at 00:03:33 -

Something like that wouldn't quite work so well on a computer, though. There's very little to stop someone from tracking down the save file and making a backup copy of it.

 
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15th September, 2006 at 00:57:04 -

I used to do that all the time with Nethack.

 
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15th September, 2006 at 02:27:22 -

You could do that + save a hidden checksum somewhere else. If the player restores the savefile, it won't match and won't run, haha!

 
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15th September, 2006 at 07:58:30 -

Okay, I had another idea which is sorta' similar but how about this:

It's based off the points system like above, only instead of prizes / abilites you can unlock in-game you actually restore parts of your Necropolis instead in a charming mini-game! (Yes, it's charming dammit!) So say if you get 100 points, a black building will appear on a separate "town" screen or something that might play out like a simplified sim-city. Of course maybe this option wouldn't be available to the player until he has won the game at least once, which would mean that evil did in fact win the game and now he's busy building his kingdom of evil. That might be something.

Either that or I may have the point system affect how many reinforcements the Necro gets during the final battle w/ the king and his army. I want the final battle to be as epic as possible for a cartoony-looking game like this, right now in my head it looks to be awesome but as for actual fact later well we'll see!

 
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15th September, 2006 at 21:42:15 -

There is nothing wrong with games like that. Some people might argue that you get better value for money since it's harder to see the ending.

But as a click game, noone will stay with it for so long because new games are released daily. Ok they're not all games you're going to play through to the end, but it's very easy to be distracted by something else in the community.

Also since it's going to be free more than likely, you wont care if you never bother seeing the end.

it would have to be a really good game.

Here is a question. If eternal daughter had no saves, would you have gotten to the end?

 
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16th September, 2006 at 00:07:39 -

It had saves and I never got to the end.

 
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16th September, 2006 at 07:33:31 -

Same here, I can't win that game (or come close to winning it!) NR won't be half as hard as ED though, so at least anyone who's somewhat decent at gaming should have no problem seeing the ending.

 
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17th September, 2006 at 04:00:31 -

There was a time when those games were damn popular because only a few people could win them, and they'd only win with a lot of effort, experience, and skill. These days, if you mess up, you could load. If you die early, waste too much money, or lose a football match in some football league, you could load. Heck, in some games you could even turn back time whenever you take a fatal hit or fall off a ledge.

Ends up not having any challenge. The worst part of it is that they counter the lack of challenge by giving you a difficult, frustrating level, where you could only save at certain spots, though the game will try to rip you apart between the spots.

I miss the good ol days of games like Golden Axe and Animaniacs where you could win the game in one sitting, but would only sometimes win.

The best system I've seen is in Counter-Strike: Condition Zero, where you have to win a certain amount of times, pass certain objectives for the level, but the possibility of losing badly is always there. Another great system is in Football Manager, where you have to quit the game to load. Sure, you can quit and load when you lose an important game.. but then you'd lose the atmosphere of playing an important game as well, and most of the fun of football is the tension.. a win in the finals by loading a game even once won't be even half as fun as losing a game to a good opponent in the semis.

So, I guess, the best way would be making it hard enough to win... but not making it impossible to win if the player did badly. Thus, the player would still try his/her best to win even though he/she already lost an earlier level. E.g. for a platformer, the player has to collect a certain amount of cash to go to the next act, but if the player dies in a level, he/she gets to keep half the cash he/she got, but still gets to play other levels and has a chance at getting enough cash.

 
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17th September, 2006 at 07:53:36 -

I know what you mean about loading whenever you mess up. My brother has some basketball game for the PS2 that he was doing a season with. Whenever his team would lose, he'd restart it and play until he won the game and THEN save it. That's cheap! I started a regular season in MLB2K5 and kept all the losses in there because at least it was official / not cheating. I think over the first 10 games I was 2-8 because I was still learning, but eventually I got better and the standings reflected my skills more accurately.

As for NR, I was thinking that the more times you win the game (or get enough points or whatever they're going to be called), would mean that you start off with slightly more HP and MP. That way you'd be rewarded, but not too much right off the bat. Kind of like beating Dracula fast or without getting hit in the beginning of Castlevania SOTN, where Alucard starts off with a bit more HP as a bonus if you do well with Richter at the start.


 
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17th September, 2006 at 09:16:44 -

All these comments remind me when I was bashed for not giving MSD a save system.

 
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17th September, 2006 at 09:52:27 -

I don't see why. Most action / platformers don't have a save system anyhow. Imagine Super Mario Brothers with a save system- it wouldn't work! Half the fun of that game is trying to win the whole thing in one sitting anyhow.

 
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