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27th August, 2006 at 14:56:21 -

Ok, so I know you all hate me and all, so this should come as good news. I FINALLY got a mac, and at first I experimented with ways to run MMF on a Mac (Dual Booting Windows, Virtualization, Emulators), but I finally decided I wanted to be a mac developer, not a windows developer using Mac. So I went out and found a thing called RealBASIC. It's kinda like VisualBASIC except it runs on Windows, Mac, and Linux, and isn't a piece of crap. For anybody interested, you can get a 30 day free trial at RealSoftware.com . I have already learned a lot about REALbasic. As a final thing for TDC, i'm gonna make TDC Downloads Downloader for Mac! Ok, so maybe not, but I tried to make something like it and it's screaming fast (Partly because REALbasic compiles your apps, and partly because it's running on Mac OSX).

So, if anybody cares, you will be able to keep up with me on http://www.keatontech.com (Soon to be redesigned ... AGAIN). I think i'll save 400 bucks and not get REALbasic Pro, which means that my apps will only run on Mac OS X. I might drop by every once and awhile, but I think i'll migrate to the REALbasic forums. Buh-Bye. *Walks into the sunset without looking back*

 
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27th August, 2006 at 15:04:23 -

*Shoots* You should have looked back, now you didnt make it

 
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27th August, 2006 at 15:06:34 -

So you were too shit at MMF coding so you're jumping directly to real programming? That sounds logic.

 
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27th August, 2006 at 15:14:07 -

Oh yes, that makes total sense. If you cant get the hang of MMF, theres no way in hell you can do well in full blown coding without going through more shit then you delt with here at TDC.

 
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27th August, 2006 at 15:21:54 -

I've got to disagree - it's very easy to pick up a new programming language even if you arn't very good at MMF. Fact is, there are books, articles and courses on programming languages - while there are hardly no books on MMF, plus you can't take courses on MMF..

So good luck Keaton - hope you're new coding projects are good and everything. Although I don't have/want a MAC so I won't be able to use whatever you make

 
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27th August, 2006 at 15:22:11 -

Did he say he couldn't use MMF? I didn't see that anywhere.

anyway i don't hate you, goodbye.

 
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27th August, 2006 at 15:26:16 -

lol exactly
The only reason we're really here is because we're too lazy to learn proper coding (plus MMF is quicker and easier). If you actually spend time on it, then learning to code isn't hard at all (anybody can do it). It's all the maths stuff that's the hardest bit in my opinion (and MMF isn't the only thing that uses maths).

I've got books on C and all kinds of other languages - I just don't have the time to read them and learn them. Plus I'm too lazy

 
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27th August, 2006 at 15:41:10 -

Yeah, do whatever you like. Real programming can be really cool when you get a hang of it. I dunno about mac compatibility, but C++ and Allegro is really nice for making games. I like.

 
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27th August, 2006 at 16:42:17 -

I can't remember what Keaton did, but I do know I despised him for some reason.

Maybe he was just one of those people, you know.

 
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28th August, 2006 at 01:00:13 -

MMF != real programming. MMF is a lot easier with simple graphical stuff, but real programming is a lot easier when you don't want to worry about animations and collisions.

You'll be back. Soon enough you'll miss the thrill of releasing a piece of crap game in 3 hours compared to the 3 months it'd take with a real programming language

 
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28th August, 2006 at 08:19:16 -

I think I tried realBasic or whatever it's called. It was a little shit. fuck, with a Mac you get XCode2 so go forth and use that. XCode3 is due out with Leopard.

Funny isn't it Keatonguy, before you get a mac you plan out how you can still run MMF (Virtual PC, virtualisation, Boot Camp)... but once you have it you don't care for it since you have XCode and other grander options available.

from the Apple site http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/xcode/

"Itís designed to facilitate development of applications, tools, frameworks, libraries, plug-in bundles, kernel extensions and device drivers. Xcode supports developers using C, C++, Objective C, AppleScript and Java." It's everything. Like MMF in it's simplicity but can do oh-so much more.

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28th August, 2006 at 09:29:20 -

On a side note it would be interesting to know when MMF2 will allow us to save files so mac users can run them.

 
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28th August, 2006 at 10:13:28 -

I believe that was asked on the CT forum and the answer was that it probably won't happen.

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28th August, 2006 at 10:29:09 -

I asked Jeff the same question and he said "it's possible" then months later "It's still possible".

 
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28th August, 2006 at 12:22:31 -

Of course it's possible, they just lack mac coders.

 
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28th August, 2006 at 13:57:23 -

I'm not really an expert with macs - but whats the 'mac equivalent' of an .exe file?

 
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28th August, 2006 at 16:28:58 -

That's why I hate Keaton - his old avatar, you know the rotating one.

 
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28th August, 2006 at 19:01:29 -

Flava - .app, it contains all the files (music, drivers -if needed, graphics etcetc) in one file for easy transport, but you can browse it like a folder too. without trying to make insecure people flare up, it's one of the little things I like about OSX. getting a system back to normal after a format requires nothing more than copying the .app file from the backup source to the systems application folder. no installation needed.

 
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28th August, 2006 at 20:48:52 -

@Oh yes, that makes total sense. If you cant get the hang of MMF, theres no way in hell you can do well in full blown coding without going through more shit then you delt with here at TDC.

While I generally would agree with that statement, even though I'm not very good a click programming, I did some very decent C++ programs, the best being an AIM-style command-prompt-based chat program. The best part is that it works.

 
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29th August, 2006 at 00:03:36 -

Making console apps isn't hard. Hey, did that chat app actually work... Or was it just like...

"Hello"
"Hello, lol"
"Who are you?"
"Hello, lol"
"Stop it"
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"I SEZ ST0P U N00b :@"
"Hello, lol"

 
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29th August, 2006 at 02:49:37 -

Oh yeh it wouldn't be hard to do in MMF - but in C++ a commond-prompt chat would be a little bit harder

 
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29th August, 2006 at 07:04:45 -

Keaton, if you are really serious about this. Go out to a library or buy a book about C++, insert the OSX DVD and install Xcode2 and give it a whirl. There are plenty of books available and seeing that C++ is a very common language you should be able to get loads of help from various sites. I'll PM you with a few Mac development forums, very friendly guys there who will certainly help if you ask.

 
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29th August, 2006 at 09:33:00 -

Yeah, that's what they say about the DC too

 
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29th August, 2006 at 10:58:42 -

or, Keaton. try this bucket of shit - http://www.sawbladesoftware.com/ looks like TGF (even copied the name) but much more limited.

 
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29th August, 2006 at 12:53:05 -

It is possible for somebody who struggles with 'interface based coding' (such as MMF) to then go onto (eg.) C++ and not struggle at all. Just thought I'd speak out against this crazy misconception.

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29th August, 2006 at 15:35:00 -

@Jimmy: Yeah, I got Xcode, but it's not cross-platform now and it never will be, the nice thing about REALbasic is that you can buy a standard version that only exports to 1 OS, or, you can but a pro version that exports to Win-duhh-s, Mac, and Linux. So if I ever decide to make a cross platform app, all I have to do is buy RB pro, not learn another language. I am thinking about learning Java though, and I hear Xcode has Java stuff too. Oh, and I think I wanna develop applications, i'm sick of 2D games, plus I don't wanna give money to clickteam rip-offs.

@Flava: I agree that the math part is the hardest, there are a lot of programming 'concepts' that you learn in MMF. So it's actually quite easy to learn a new language. Also, REALbasic is quite similar to MMF because it has the equivalent of the level editor, so you don't have to code the UI, just the events.





 
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29th August, 2006 at 15:40:12 -

Clickteam rip-offs. Hopefully that isn't aimed at Clickteam themselves, because they are a great company, even if they are small. You can't really be sick of 2D games either, you didn't make any good ones (didn't look like you even tried), but I will be the first to admit that if you can't design games, but have the will to code, chances are you will do much better in application design. I have a friend who couldnít make shit in MMF, but he decided to take up coding and heís doing pretty well. So perhaps your goal isn't that far off. Good luck.

 
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29th August, 2006 at 16:55:54 -

I don't hate you, but you can still stay here. Plenty of people around who use more or other things than MMF and are here, you know.

EDIT: I hate the fact that alternatives are being looked at by people as either "that's stupid I hate u" or "praise the lord!". I'm dualbooting, it's the best.

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30th August, 2006 at 09:42:56 -

@BrandonC: I meant that saw-blade-software is ripping off clickteam.

@DaVince: Oh yeah, you're running Linux aren't you. I tried Suse 10.1 when I got sick of Windows Vista, and I decided that it was better than Windows, but too hard to use. I did manage to get MMF 2.0 working in Wine though. Anyway, i'll stop back here every once and awhile, which of course means you'll see a post in 2 years that says "Oh man, I missed all you guys, I was just surfing round the neighborhood and thought I'd stop by."


I just clocked my REALbasic app running at 2 million code cycles per second. Of course, it wasn't doing anything except for calculating it's own FPS, but i'd like to see MMF run that fast.


 
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30th August, 2006 at 09:47:12 -

You know, a lot of people didn't hate you.

Well, except Phizzy.

We make fun of people all the time. Don't take things so seriously.

 
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30th August, 2006 at 10:06:19 -

See?

 
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30th August, 2006 at 11:01:15 -

Wow, right on que Phizzy.

 
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30th August, 2006 at 11:25:19 -

Is that French? lol

SuSE 10.1's fine for me. But I dualboot because good apps are found on both distros.
Also, some people are making a Windows alternative, that can run EXEs and whatnot. Non-MS Windows, and pretty buggy in its current stage.

 
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30th August, 2006 at 13:02:03 -

I'm sure Xcode can export to a windows executable. if not C++ then a cross platform language like Java will be useable.

I just got virtualization working with Parallels. This is pretty incredible. I can now run any Windows application within OSX. talk about massive compatibility on one single machine. Apparently Linux is to be added to the support list soon. MMF1.5 is running at full speed here. Sure you want to leave it behind Keaton? Currently got Logic and Pixen (OSX) for music and graphic production and MMF (Windows) open for the actual game source. this is great

 
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6th September, 2006 at 20:30:05 -

I loved you keaton!... but now you'r leaving me!


*sings in a tear-full voice* Good Bye my lover..Good bye my friend! * stops abruptly*

what the hell am I doing?!

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6th September, 2006 at 21:51:26 -

More reason to stick around I see

 
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6th September, 2006 at 22:21:04 -

Sorry, I had no idea it was about reason!

 
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you never finished my cake screensaver, you sonvabitch or phizzy open GL racer source!

 
   

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