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13th June, 2006 at 00:46:06 -

On my old pc, where it mattered, rebooting into dos always got far better performance than running programs from windows.

 
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13th June, 2006 at 07:07:38 -

Who’s to say Microsoft is copying everything from anyone, but instead, are just keeping up with the time. I mean SOMEONE has to be the first one to do it, so that doesn't mean everyone after them, is copying.

Take for example the new GUI of Vista or even XP for that matter. Where Microsoft could have gotten the entire idea to add a more graphical look to the GUI, from Apple, who’s to say Microsoft wouldn't have eventually gotten to the idea later down the line.

I mean with computers getting better every year, what’s the point of sticking to a GUI with nothing but gray borders and a gradient title bar. It’s not copying, its keeping up with the time, and giving people what they want.

In this case, Microsoft is taking idea's from Apple, to 1 give people what they want and keep themselves out of the stone age of the computer world, and to also avoid the whole controversy of "Well Mac has this, this and that, so I'm going to use Mac instead." by adding those features that are missing in Windows.

 
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13th June, 2006 at 19:59:54 -

Yeah, but I mean NOTHING in Vista is original as far as I can tell.

 
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14th June, 2006 at 04:38:33 -

"Yeah, but I mean NOTHING in Vista is original as far as I can tell"

All Mac has done over the last few updates is made it shinier and hidden more preferences. Macs are for people who don't know enough about computers to deeal with a few glitches.

Generally I've found user-friendlyness and reliablilty to have a negative correlation; better U-F, worse reliability. My friend got a new Mac os X panther. It was supposedly top-of-the-line. It freezes like every day, and occasionally when he clicks a menu the little shiny spinny beach ball of doom spins infinetly and never dies. It's time for a re-boot.


Really, those new Mac commercials are fulla shit. Mac acts like they NEVER freeze and that windows keeps restarting. Mac seems to freeze more than windows does. It also depends on what you're doing. If you want to just do simple things like word and do other simple things get a mac. If you want to develop and do something worthwhile get a windows.

Also, it's annoying how macs don't call themselves PC's. The ytechnically are. Why are only windows computers addresses as PC's?

But yeah... Mac is pretty sissy. They aren't very origional. That "dock" thing is a total rip off of the task bar. Besides, the taskbar shows what windows and folders are open, instead of just one shiny, bouncy icon.

 
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14th June, 2006 at 06:16:02 -

Also, it's annoying how macs don't call themselves PC's. The ytechnically are. Why are only windows computers addresses as PC's?
It's just a convention. It's easier to say 'PC' than 'PC/IBM compatible' like we used to.

 
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14th June, 2006 at 06:36:41 -

WindowsXP, unless something is seriously wrong, never does a full OS lock up, requiring a restart. It's just programs that lockup, and usually the programs lock up, because the program wasnt well programmed, the OS is doing what it was told to do. I dont know how so many people have so many issues with WindowsXP, I have used over 10 different computers for extended periods of time, all with WindowsXP on it (3 of which were mine) and never had any issues, other then a few glitches here and there as Bibin added.

At this rate, the only true reason WindowsXP seems to get unstable over time, is because unlike Mac, it doesn’t try to hide all the deep system files, you can find them all under the Windows folder. This usually means that if your an idiot who has no clue what they're doing, and trying to look up stuff they shouldn’t on the internet, your going to catch a virus that can take advantage of Windows's flexibility as an OS. However, this also means that Windows, unlike Mac, is 50x more flexible, and can be molded to suit just about ANYONES personal needs, as far as functionality, look, and performance goes.

As far a system specs goes, Windows usually shows most of its dirty looks, on really low spec PC's, and at this day and age, if your using a PC with 128MB of ram, and a 20GB hard drive, Pentium 2 processor, its time for an upgrade anyway.

In addition to what Bibin said about PC... he's absolutely correct. PC stands for Personal Computer, which logically speaking, both Mac and Windows are just that, Personal Computers.
Sorry if every post here I made has been really long, I just have a lot to say as far as Windows vs Mac goes.

 
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14th June, 2006 at 09:24:33 -

I don't mind your reasonably-long posts, more that your second paragraph is nonsense. The level at which system files are displayed doesn't make a difference to how likely a computer is to catch a virus due to security holes left in the operating system. And look at Linux - all system files imaginable are displayed in that (you might say an overwhelming amount) and it's significantly less virus-prone than Windows. Additionally, "if your an idiot" - extra irony award!

That aside, at the moment, my copy of Windows has a problem with the Volume Shadow Service (whatever that is) that prevents it from starting up reliably, and as far as I can see, it's through natural deterioration of the operating system through installing/uninstalling/reinstalling programs - something that shouldn't happen no matter how stable it is normally. Many Windows users rebuild their systems entirely every year or so, just because it seems to need renewal. Mine now shellcrashes about once daily and sometimes loses one of the DVD drives for no apparent reason.

I don't mind Windows XP - it's popular because it works, and I'm impressed with how stable XP is compared to the earlier versions. After initially hating it, I've been planning on trying out Linux as a home operating system for some time, but I'd be more inclined to do this if it could run anything that I would actually use.

 
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14th June, 2006 at 13:09:01 -

They're not only copying ideas from Macs, Keaton. From the entire open source community too. And Linux, and BeOS, and who knows what other operating systems with new ideas.

@Bibin: Actually, Linux might be a better option if you want to develop. It has really tons of options for that, while Windows doesn't even come with any compiler by default.

 
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14th June, 2006 at 21:53:09 -

Windows = Average Computer User
Mac = Bubble wrap for people who cant use Windows or Linux correctly.
Linux = Developer's best friend.

One of the biggest reasons Windows isn’t completely slashing all the security holes, and are just having them patched or avoided, is because of the kernel having security holes. Unfortunately, completely rewriting the kernel would completely shut the lights off for backwards comparability, which is very important for people who have been using Windows from the start, and don’t feel like getting a complete restart, waiting years for developers to jump on the band wagon.
Ignore me if the above is wrong, I found it a long time ago when I was reading about Windows Vista, forgot where though.

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14th June, 2006 at 22:09:31 -

Operating Systems should be just that - systems that you can operate things on. There should be no shiny features on built-in virus checkers, just the minimum files needed to run basic programmes on. And if you want other stuff you could download it.

 
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14th June, 2006 at 22:14:21 -

At this rate, people are making the OS wars, sound worse then the console wars, when consoles have a reason to be trying to reach the spotlight... an OS just needs to do basic functions and leave improvements to the system specs.

 
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14th June, 2006 at 22:22:20 -

You guys act like M$ stole the launch bar from Apple. They didn't, they liscenced it and the 3d icons bit as well. Kinda funny that apple is going to be making some money on each copy of Vista sold.

 
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14th June, 2006 at 23:18:11 -

Okay Okay, So I finally got Vista to work (The install was pretty painless after I wiped my drive), and i'll admit that I like it. It was very easy to connect to my network (I still can't figure out how to do that in Linux), and it is running fater than XP. However, it pops up some warning whenever I do just about anything , it is so anoying. It comes with some pretty good stuff, and Aero Basic really isn't bad. I think i'll use it for awhile before returning to XP.


 
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14th June, 2006 at 23:21:02 -

"It's just a convention. It's easier to say 'PC' than 'PC/IBM compatible' like we used to. "

You could just say "Windows" or "Linux" or whatever it is instead of saying PC at all, and use PC to refer to any computer.

"At this rate, the only true reason WindowsXP seems to get unstable over time, is because unlike Mac, it doesn’t try to hide all the deep system files, you can find them all under the Windows folder. This usually means that if your an idiot who has no clue what they're doing, and trying to look up stuff they shouldn’t on the internet, your going to catch a virus that can take advantage of Windows's flexibility as an OS."

BANG! My point exactly.

Everything has glitches: games, operating systems, and even people (just look at the U.S. president) Mac's glitches are just covered up, but they are there. There are tons of viruses for Mac, yet the computer doesn't tell you. It then slowly detereoriates silently and gets slower and slower. It finally dies once your warranty dies. Mac just pretends to be perfect until it finally dies. It denies its true life choices.

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14th June, 2006 at 23:53:39 -

MORE VISTA SCREENSHOTS!

Full Screen:
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Media Center:
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Media Player:
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Other Apps:
Mail http://www.keatontech.com/WinMail.png
Calendar http://www.keatontech.com/WinCalendar.png
Defender http://www.keatontech.com/WinDefender.png
Photo http://www.keatontech.com/WinPhoto.png

Start Menu:
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Welcome Screen:
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Prompts:
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SmartFTP (Does not come with Vista):
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