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13th February, 2006 at 18:06:01 -

Free speech is free speech mate. If you want to disrespect someone there's nothing to stop you, and rightly shouldn't be.

And by the way, there's no such thing as free speech in this world, only a concept not unlike communism. Great on paper, rubbish in real life.

 
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17th February, 2006 at 11:07:03 -

I guess this whole incident actually shows why there SHOULDN'T be free speech. A newspaper actually got its newspaper license revoked by both Muslims and non-Muslim senators for putting a "we don't care" style news post (cartoons included) in one of the somewhat Christian states of Malaysia.

Free speech is OK for when you wish to make a point, tell people what's wrong with the government, but this is an all too perfect example of how free speech can be worse than murder. Muslims take (or at least pretend to take) a smiling cartoon of Muhammad as a bigger insult than a pic of their buddies being analled by a dog. It's a *HUGE* taboo, one of the most offending things someone could do, probably started so that people don't try to look like Muhammad, but turning out into something like this. Either way, I don't think "free speech" makes a good enough excuse.

But anyway, free speech has been bad enough that it's not allowed here. Got banned after a massive racial riot that happened because of some insults (as usual, something to do with elections). Doesn't seem to work too well in USA either, where people could just slander each other and competiting products. Bad, bad concept, like capitalism and communism .

Hmm.. I feel like playing Civ4 now...

 
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17th February, 2006 at 17:23:35 -

It seems to me that it's perfectly understandable to be offended by the pictures or whatever else. However acting in the way those London "protestors" did is completely rediculous.

 
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18th February, 2006 at 09:09:27 -

@Muz, I think it shows why there ISN'T free speech.

It's all bollocks anyway, the Muslim extremists are spreading pictures which were never printed in an effort to stoke up hatred in the Islamic nations. Bastards.

 
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18th February, 2006 at 11:55:13 -

This is stupid. Jesus is put in cartoons all the time: South Park, Family Guy, The Simpsons, even that new piece of crap Drawn Together, and yet christians don't become rabid nutters who feast on the flesh of infedels. They can't take a joke, because they're primitive sand monkies from the core of Mars. DIE MUSLIM, DIE!(No offense Muz, I don't really mean it).

 
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18th February, 2006 at 11:55:56 -

I think its time we attacked that fat sack of crap Buddah. Everyone hates buddists.

 
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18th February, 2006 at 18:24:02 -

I think it's crap that the protesters have seem to have lost all direction with their protests. Down with bush? How the fuck is THAT related to a comic done across the pond.

It's sad that this is being used as an excuse by a few to attack absolutely anything they don't like; relevant or not. The burning of the embassy(ies?) was pure, pure bullshit; and it's strengthening the belief of the extremesits on the other side that both islam/muslim followers are nothing but uppity extremists that like to lash out.

In short, no one wins this one.

 
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18th February, 2006 at 20:34:36 -

I did, I opened The Danish Flag shop in Palestine a few weeks ago.

 
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18th February, 2006 at 23:55:55 -

four of the cartoon protestors were killed in a riot. I dream of making a cartoon so offensive that four people are killed over it.

 
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21st February, 2006 at 09:21:53 -

Hey, Buddha's cool. Though for a non-materialistic religion, those buddha statues tend to be pretty damn expensive.

Hmm... haven't really been keeping track of the protests in other nations. It's pretty peaceful here, anyone who wants to stir up hatred in this country gets hit with the equivalent of America's Patriot Act .

Sad as it seems, I think we're on the verge of a crusade/WW3 here. Seems like some people would do anything to start one, and I don't think anyone will win this time. Some self-righteous heretic will use Western "free speech/religion" mistakes to their advantage, probably starting some kinda fascism by 2010. Nobody will win.. their dirty terrorist tactics are already working too well. USA sent thousands of troops, dropped tons of bombs, barely scratched al-Qaeda, and all they did was turn themselves from the "poor victimized people" into the "evil anti-Asians". They can't win, Asians (especially West Asians) have a long history of unconventional warfare, guerilla fighting, assassinations.

The "war on terror" itself is bringing a LOT of losses to the USA, huge debts from war & security, far more than what a direct ICBM would do to an American city... and no profits at all. Nobody dares to invest in a scared country, and its bad enough that all the jobs are being outsourced. Seems like the world's only superpower is doomed. You Americans should emigrate to Malaysia, where all the hot Asian bimbos chase after the foreign guys, where internet access is $0.50 an hour, where hackers and computer pirates roam free under the watchful eyes of corrupt police. It's an exotic tropical paradise for any geek .

 
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21st February, 2006 at 11:27:20 -

If America really really wanted to, it could blow any country into smithereens in 10 minutes. Would be bad PR though.

 
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22nd February, 2006 at 00:48:57 -

But would it make the world view much worse than it already is?
Lets face it, they've bombed the heck out of Afganistan and Iraq already.

It seems to me that more Muslims are potential extremists than we are told. They just have to be offended enough. It also seems that some think the 'west' is evil and controlled by the USA.


 
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22nd February, 2006 at 09:45:02 -

Wasn't there some new action movie from Turkey where the West is also being portrayed as evil and such, and was requested for banning in Germany by some German politician? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0493264/

 
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24th February, 2006 at 00:59:44 -

"It seems to me that more Muslims are potential extremists than we are told. They just have to be offended enough. It also seems that some think the 'west' is evil and controlled by the USA."
> Hey, I'm no potential extremist. Just a potential terrorist, though I blame all of that on violence in games . Well, technically, a lot of countries (like Singapore, Australia, Saudi Arabia, Japan, Egypt) are cowering to the USA, and no countries seem to have the guts to force the US into reducing its pollution, so I can say that most of the world is already controlled by the USA.

After all, a terrorist bomb can only kill a few thousand at worst. American bombs can and do kill a lot more, and the cluster bombs actually violate some anti-mine international laws. But nobody really dares to stand up to the big guy and tell them to stop picking on the little guys, just because the little guy's brother poured some superglue in the big guy's burger.

 
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24th February, 2006 at 13:56:57 -

Muz, is your argument that the Americans are worse because they have bigger bombs?

 
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