which one people. im pretty favorable towards chewy bacon.
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Normally, I'd like it inbetween, but I'd also have to be favourable towards chewy bacon.
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I'd rather not contribute to the horrific, sadistic, brutal depressingness of what's displayed in the link I posted.
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On a black throne reigns upright,
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Out of time.
Anyway, I'm not looking for an argument here. I made my preference clear as to the subject topic, just as everyone else has. Each to their own.
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An extract from Novasoft's Link on Herbivores:
"I believe a few sharks, hyenas and piranha would like to have a word with us about who's ahead of who in the food chain. Additionally, most herbivores like rhinos, hippos and gorillas could easily kill a human being, if provoked. These animals are also ahead of us in the food chain."
Rhinos, Hippos and Gorillas are behind us in the food chain, because we have far more intelligence. We don't have to use brute force. If they were ahead of us in the food chain, why are we making them extinct?!
And I think you'll find the amount of sharks and hyenas killed and eaten each year by humans far outstrips the number of humans killed by them. Go to a Chinese restaurant and order shark fin soup.
Don't be an absolute nitwit Ryan. I respect your beliefs and that, but that page is all absolute fabrication and propaganda.
Furthermore, our teeth are shaped to eat meat. Refusing to eat meat won't save any animals, it will just lead to overproduction, which leads to a lot of fine meat being thrown away. Hehe.
The true factors in determining food chain position?
I'd really like to see a 'man' with no external weaponry attempt to kill a shark with only his body strength and bare hands. The thought is hilarious. How futile, weak and pathetic (and also amusing) a sight that would be.
The slaughterhouse 'workers' who you support do not kill the animals with their strength and fists. They use weapons of torture and brutal industrial machinery.
YOU do not eat the animal flesh raw from the bone as true carnivores do. You carefully select the bits you like, then cook them to eliminate the bacteria of death which your guts cannot digest. A lion is a mighty predator, it kills only what it needs using skill and strength and will waste almost nothing.
Axel:
Did you know that one acre of land can produce 40,000Lbs of potatoes or 250Lbs of beef? Hardly resourceful use of land, is it? And they question why famine exists in third world countires? Cruel, unproductiveness on our part.
Why is this topic always defended so aggressively by meat eaters?
Is it because you know that by your purchases you are funding something despicable and downright cruel and you don't like to be reminded of this?
Are you capable of thinking morally?
Do you realise just how horrific the hell on earth conditions of slaughterhouses are?
Do you understand that animals feel every emotion as equally as humans. Terror, grief, and pain?
You sacrifice compassion for satisfaction and that is truly pathetic and undefendable.
Nothing more strongly arouses our disgust than cannibalism, yet we make the same impression on Buddhists and vegetarians, for we feed on babies, though not our own.
If your mind cannot be swayed by images, documents and videos which clearly display the evil you fund, there is something amiss in your outlook and logic.
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Out of space
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How can it be so terrible wrong and evil to eat meat if we have been doing it for all our existance on this planet. Your ancestors did it. You're made of it. Humans cannot live without eating meat. At least not without taking pills to replace all the necessary resources we get from meat. And does that seem natural to you?
I disagree (with Novabrain, but agree with Axel) humans are natural omnivores in exactly the same way pigs are.
And since when did an animals brute force become the only factor in deciding how far up the food chain something is? It has never been that way. For example, ants can kill birds and big insects, yet by themselves they are harmless.
I'd really like to see an 'ant' attempt to kill a bird with only his body strength and bare hands teeth. The thought is hilarious. How futile, weak and pathetic (and also amusing) a sight that would be.
Sure meat production may be unproductive, but vegetarians are all weak, pathetic, small-minded fools, so you can see why we need to eat meat. Where else are you gonna get your protein from? Nuts? You'd have to eat a whole tree of them.
And by the way, your argument about the unproductiveness puts a point forward about the effectiveness of factory farming. If we didn't do this, how unproductive would we be then? We'd be killing all those little Africans, in some obscure tenuous way.
Don't feel you have to comply with this fable that a 'diet' containing meat is the only way to remain healthy.
No one I know who refrains from gorging themselves with parasite laden flesh has any health complaints.
A vegan and even vegetarian lifestyle is the most beneficial and rewarding anyone can adopt.
The problem for most is a lack of willpower and stubborness, or blatant ignorance.
Remember... The person who refuses to kill an animal is more of a man than the person who chooses to kill an animal. Compassion maketh man.
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I skipped most of Novasoft's and Noodles posts, because vegetarian arguments are boring, not to mention we've already one that amounted to 7+ pages of stupid flames.
"Isn't it always amazing how we characterize a person's intelligence by how closely their thinking matches ours?"
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For once I sort of agree with Noodle on some points! Years ago my mate went vegetarian for some strange reason. I carried on eating bacon, pork chops, scratchings (pork rinds), black pudding, pork pies, belly draught and other goodness.
He used to be as big as me, now he's about 5 foot 10 and i'm six foot 4. Watch the Christmas lectures, our brains expanded (over many, many years of course) due to cooking and eating meat. The huge protein boost out of meat or fish helped our brains develop to what they are today.
Also we have incisor teeth as well as molars, so I conclude we should eat both vegetation (such as sprouts - fibre goodness) as well as meat (omnivores). Also being vegetarian makes your farts wreak, although that could be a bonus.
Anyhow onto more important matters, crispy smokey bacon sandwiches (the British stuff) with fried tomatoes and Heinz tomato ketchup on self cut bakers bread is heaven...
I really don't care for my own health as a result of my choice.
I take comfort in that my lifestyle choice requires no peaceful creatures to be slaughtered on my part. The satisfaction in this is far greater than the 'satisfaction' you obtain when chewing on a corpse.
My skin's glowing thanks to a grease and fat free diet and my body's my temple.
"What is the importance of human lives? Is it their continuing alive for so many years like animals in a menagerie? The value of a man cannot be judged by the number of diseases from which he escapes. The value of a man is in his human qualities: in his character, in his conscience, in the nobility and magnanimity, of his soul. Torturing animals to prolong human life has separated science from the most important thing that life has produced - the human conscience."
"All the arguments to prove man's superiority can not shatter this hard fact: In suffering, the animals are our equals."
"Awareness is bad for the meat business. Conscience is bad for the meat business. Sensitivity to life is bad for the meat business. DENIAL, however, the meat business finds indispensable."
By a route obscure and lonely,
Haunted by ill angels only,
Where an Eidolon, named night,
On a black throne reigns upright,
I have reached these lands but newly
From an ultimate dim Thule
From a wild clime that lieth, sublime,
Out of space
Out of time.
O.k novasoft please explain why it's alright for carnivorous creatures to kill and eat other animals but it's not alright for humans to do the same. I understand we have different methods but the animals suffer all the same.
choosing to eat meat does not make somebody ignorant, so stop ranting and raving about how much better you are than us do to your lifestyle choice. Everyone has made a choice and i'm sticking to mine.
Sometimes I think peoples beliefs about the whole anti-meat business are a cry for attention. So they're different, so they're pure and not a sinner, which meat eater's obviously MUST be by the sound of all this shite. If your argument is only backed up by shit like, "your fucking evil" or "Sensitivity to life is bad for the meat business" then you’re always going to loose, or be a hippy in an algae covered tent, living on hemp lollies. No one listens or reads such bullshit in the end- they just get tired of it. Please, stop trying to change peoples ways of life, or ATTEMPT to make people feel guilty.
I can’t help thinking this thread was created to set the Anti-meat members poetic juices flowing. I know certain people can’t resist a good argument. This topic should be locked... It was to trigger arguments from the word go.
You're a dull minded, clueless, ignorant, selfish bastard.
Yes... Because everyone who cares about the lives of those who cannot speak or fend for themselves does so for attention? Fucking fool. Only your narrow mind could assume such bullshit.
Sensitivity to life IS bad for the meat business. That quote is perfectly true. It applies to people such as you. You are in denial. And IF you are aware of how bad the industry is and yet continue to fund it, you're an idiot beyond doubt.
Do you know the extent of the abuse and torture animals face in the confines of slaughterhouses? Can you even begin to comprehend what it must be like? Every second from the time they are born is pure misery, degredation and hell on earth.
You need to open your eyes boy. Your upper class existence has obviously rose tinted the way you see life.
The worst thing is there seems to be some mockery from you... It's almost as if you think that those who choose not to eat the corpses of our defenceless, fellow creatures is the evil.
You defend the topic with such hostility... I really do not understand that?
Basically, you are for the slaughter of millions of animals. You can't claim to care for animals if you eat them. You hate them. You can't say otherwise.
Oh, and sources were provided earlier providing links to articles and images. I don't just rush in like an argumentative twat like you've done here. You've made a complete fool of yourself. Luckily, it's the internet.
Pull your head out of your arse and your little fantasy world and have a good fucking look at this site:
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Haunted by ill angels only,
Where an Eidolon, named night,
On a black throne reigns upright,
I have reached these lands but newly
From an ultimate dim Thule
From a wild clime that lieth, sublime,
Out of space
Out of time.
Oh look! the Vegetable fairy throws yet ANOTHER link my way, and Digital Dreams the "arrogant fucker" does NOT click on the link. Do you think calling people such names will help if your attempting to make a person change a way of life?
And by the way... my upper class existance? WHAT THE FUCK. Because some random told you I live in a large house I MUST be upper-class? My class has fucking NOTHING to do with whether or not I eat fucking meat! Should I be ashamed IF I am upperclass? NO.
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