I'm no expert either but, 400Gb? Double layer dvd writer? *Faints*
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Pete Nattress Cheesy Bits img src/uploads/sccheesegif
Registered 23/09/2002
Points 4811
6th February, 2005 at 09:30:22 -
I've been reading up on the "Nvidia PCX 5300" and it appears that nvidia PCX cards are really just AGP with some form of bridge on them. That's slightly offputting. But then again, there's always the PCX interface which I could buy a decent card for in a couple of years' time. Hmmm...
Well it doesn't look too bad but I would recommend building your own system. I built a top end machine for about £300. You save money for two reasons: Firstly do you really need a 56k modem, firewire port, 400gb (!) hard drive etc? You can save money by not buying them. Secondly since you assemble it yourself (which isn't hard, I figured it out on my own without any help) you save a lot of money on the assembly cost. Plus by the end of it you have a computer which has exactly what you want and does exactly what you want. Oh, and you can salvage bits and pieces like hard drives and sound cards from older PCs and save paying for them.
I'd recommend dabs.com for buying PC parts. Never had any probs with them and good prices too.
- Tigerworks
Pete Nattress Cheesy Bits img src/uploads/sccheesegif
Registered 23/09/2002
Points 4811
6th February, 2005 at 09:53:20 -
true, tigs, true... i was planning on making my own; i didn't realise that a self build could be that cheap though. what spec is the one you made?
I also saved a lot building my own, I kept the monitor, case and DVD/CD-R drives and upgraded the rest. I hate buying pre-built PCs, they're always bad for upgrading.
Well I got an Athlon XP 3200+ with 512mb RAM all 400MHz FSB, Asus motherboard, 400W case, and 40gb hard drive, total about £260 I think. I kept the monitor, another hard drive, sound card, speakers, keyboard, mouse and graphics card. Later I bought a £30 Sound Blaster Live 24-bit for the extra sound quality (it really makes a difference).
In retrospect getting an Athlon XP was a pretty bad idea, since they aren't making them any more and the socket type is no longer used by newer processors. I didn't know about that at the time though, but I still got a top-of-the-range processor at a good price, and theres still room to upgrade elsewhere (GeForce 2 64mb, haha). Should still last me a few years.
# Processor - Athlon 64 3500+ (Socket 939) = £185 (3400+ Socket 754 = £140)
# Operating System - Microsoft® Windows XP Home = £60
# Memory - 1024MB DDR RAM (2x 512MB) = £100 (matched pair)
# Hard Disk - 400GB (2x200) 7200 RPM Serial ATA Drive = £140 (£70 x 2)
# Optical 1 - Double Layer 16x Multiformat (+/-) DVD-Rewiter Drive = £44
# Optical 2 - 16x DVD-ROM Drive = £15 (why would you need one, though?)
# Graphics - 128Mb GeForce PCX 5300 Graphics with TV-Out = around £50, but you can get better ones for not much more
# PC-TV System - PC-TV System, Media Software, FM Radio and Remote Control = £50
# Modem - Dedicated high speed Supanet optimised 56K modem = £10
# Network - 10/100 Ethernet Port for Home Networking = built into your motherboard
# Firewire - 1394 Firewire Port = same
# Card Reader - Multi-Format Card Reader & Writer = £7
# Sound - 6 Channel Sound Onboard
# Keyboard etc. - Multimedia Keyboard & Optical Mouse = £10-20
# Ports etc. - 1.44MB Floppy Drive = £5
# USB2.0 Ports x4, Parallel & Standard Ports = onboard
# Case - Full ATX Tower Case with Upgrade Capacity (7 Drive Bays) = £15 for basic case, prices increase with asthetics/features
# Motherboard - Microstar MS7093 Micro ATX Motherboard = I can't find much about this, I'd estimate around £80 but there's very little information and you can't buy it. Better but available PCI-Express motherboards are from £110 and also have SLI + overclocking abilities etc.
The total if you were building this yourself, then, is just under £800, so it's not a bad deal - especially considering it's a socket 939 system. The only concerns I'd have are with the comparitively weak graphics card and upgrade potential of the motherboard, and whether they've used any dodgy components to bring the price down Seriously though, buying s939 components separately is more expensive than it should be IMO. That's the main reason why it will cost more to do it yourself, although when you do it yourself you can decide what bits you want and don't want (e.g. the tuner card, modem, smaller disks, better graphics etc.)
As a PC builder I recommend you build it yourself, its incredibly easy there are loads of guides in magazines and on the net that tell you how to do it step by step. All components come with a warranty from the manufacturer. For example retail boxed processors come with a 3 year warranty, if you buy RAM from Crucial you get a lifetime warranty, most hard drive manufacturers give you a 5 year warranty, and you usually get a 3 year warranty on a monitor. If anything goes wrong you dont have to piss about with Tiny's annoying staff, you just ring up the manufacturer and get them to replace it without any fuss usually.
PCI Express isn't needed at all, it has way more bandwidth than needed, in fact AGP4x has enough bandwidth for most games right now. That card will be obselete before you need to start worrying about not having enough bandwidth with AGP8x.
Pete Nattress Cheesy Bits img src/uploads/sccheesegif
Registered 23/09/2002
Points 4811
6th February, 2005 at 14:55:21 -
Brilliant guys, thanks for your help. I've decided that I won't buy this PC - I don't need half the crap on it, to be honest, and I'm not into impulse buying, which is what it would be. Also reading the feedback for Tiny is very offputting, thanks for that heads up Alex. I didn't realise they were the same as Time Computers; when we got a PC from them we had nothing but bullshit for 2 years. Expect me back here asking stupid questions about self-builds in a few months!
My Athlon XP was £95 and the motherboard was £30, so you don't need to pay vast amounts to get a good system.
Self building is pretty easy, I hadnt really done it before but if you read your motherboard/processor & cooling manuals carefully you should be fine. Just use common sense, i.e. dont bolt the motherboard directly to the case if you have a packet of mounts!
Errr Nvidia 5300 o_O id expect a simple 6xxx series for that, not some last year revamp of the poopey 5xxx series Rest of the system is good though, but youre not buying anyways so
I got a better computer than that off of ubid.com for $200 less than the one offered. And you NEED firewire ports if you are in to vid editing like I am.
my specs:
Accessories
5502423 - Flash Memory Card Reader
Cables
8004247 - S-Video Cable
8007131 - Power Cord
8007132 - Modem Line Cable
Cases and Case Hardware
3501790 - 710-Series Case R1
CD-ROM, CD-RW or CR-RW Drives
5502448 - HLDS 48X/24X/48X IDE CD-RW Drive
5502742 - HLDS 48X/24X/48X IDE CD-RW Drive R1
5502794 - HLDS 48X/24X/48X IDE CD-RW Drive FC R0
5503042 - Lite-On 48x 24x 48x Recordable/Rewritable CDRW Drive R3
CD-RW/DVD Combo Drives
5503011 - HLDS DVD Multi-Writer R0
5503030 - NEC 8X DVD Multi-Writer R0
Communication Software
7514022 - AOL 9.0 Pass Along CD
Hard Drives
5502617 - Maxtor 250-GB 7200 RPM 80GPP SATA Hard Disk Drive R0
5502970 - Western Digital 250-GB 7200-RPM 80GPP SATA Hard Drive R0
Keyboards
7004260 - PS/2 Multi-function Keyboard R2
7004357 - Lite On Multifunction PS2 Keyboard
Memory
5000694 - MEM DDR 512MB PC3200 R0
Mice
7004410 - Logitec USB Optical Mouse Black R2
Microsoft Software
7514014 - Microsoft Works Suite 2004 DVD
7514483 - Microsoft Windows XP Professional with SP1A CD Version 1.4 R4
ubid has all their stuff in stock, so you are not buying from schmuck in thailand. it cost about $1000 less from ubid than gateway.com using the ubuyit feature, so i didnt even bid at all.
Steve Zissou: Anne-Marie, do all the interns get Glocks?
I bought mine from some dodgy guy who builds them himself to your specifications. Probably wasted a lot of money on assembly costs, but id wager I saved lots on probably stolen parts.
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Seriously though, buying s939 components separately is more expensive than it should be IMO. That's the main reason why it will cost more to do it yourself, although when you do it yourself you can decide what bits you want and don't want (e.g. the tuner card, modem, smaller disks, better graphics etc.)
