Just added this piece to the tdc rules. I think it is fair but I am open to everyones input. Please let me know what you think
Rules to be followed by all admins
Admins are not allowed to remove a post and or topic under normal circumstances. If a post is offensive and is against the rules a admin should remove this content and put a warning msg inside of the offending post why it was removed keeping the topic intact. If there are to many posts to be edited and the entire original topic is out of reach a admin has the right to lock the topic, however in his final post stating why the topic is locked.
In no event as per Sunday May 31st, 2009 shall a post and or topic be removed under normal circumstances. (For Example SPAM posts warrent removal) If a post or topic gets deleted later this year the Admins will have the abbility to "revive" a removed post or topic that was deleted by another admin, if the deletion was not grounded. A breach of these rules can result into the removal of the admin privileges.
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Flava is thinking about making it so that deleted topics can be revived for review if there is a dispute. I think that's the best course to go, plus maybe an addendum to the rules that makes admins think really hard whether a topic should be deleted--and only if the topic is something such as inappropriate pictures plastered everywhere. Maybe a buffer, where the topic is taken down until the other admins can review it until a decision is made.
"In no event as per Sunday May 31st, 2009 shall a post and or topic be removed under normal circumstances. (For Example SPAM posts warrent removal). If a post or topic gets deleted later this year the Admins will have the abbility to "revive" a removed post or topic that was deleted by another admin, if the deletion was not grounded."
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I think the really bad/offensive/whatever topics should be hidden, not deleted. So that... well I think it's just Flava's idea all over again. Sometimes there are calls for a thread or post to be deleted. If a bot came in here and posted advertisements I'm sure they would be deleted, or if somebody posted legally questionable content they should also be removed (or hidden) without question.
Revised rule set as in what sense? Like a coded laws thing? Trolling is punishable by silencing, downvoting for the purpose of harassment is punishable by warning, talking back to the admins and offering bribes is punishable by a fine of 10 to 10000 DC points? That sort of thing?
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As nice as that sounds, from experience, the more specific they are, the more likely someone's going to do abuse it. Ever read a legal license? Exactly. It's annoying and doesn't help anyone, especially since it's supposed to just be a light-hearted site.
If there was a rule where you can't downvote for no reason, someone who votes 1 because it wasn't fun at all can be accused of downvoting, and someone can, by intention, downvote something as 0 stars and then come up with a bunch of reasons, like solitaire being boring, the size being too big, the game not as good as another game, etc, etc - they have a reason to downvote, but for all purposes and intents they're doing it to hurt the other person's feelings.
If there was a rule that you can't troll, then anything off topic and irrelevant can be accused as being trolling. And someone who is keeping one sentence on topic to insult another member could claim to not be trolling.
And so on.
It's kinda better to keep it as vague as it is. But if you think some rules don't work then go ahead and mention which.
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I thought administrators were chosen because of their ability to resolve disputes and to not get personal. Shouldn't we be able to trust their judgement of deleting topics which are deemed inappropriate?
The idea that we should have to moderate the moderators is absurd.
Originally Posted by Pkeod The idea that we should have to moderate the moderators is absurd.
Though it may not be my place to say so, I tend to agree. It's like arguing with the ref. Sure continued unfairness should be affronted, but gimme a break, are ya gonna die if some piddly topic was deleted for a reason? This whole shish kebab reminds me of the story of Chicken Little. In a community like this, it's normal to delete things all the time. In most places I've been there is no arguing with the admins OR the admin choices. If there are, you take it up with the head admin/owner, and his word is final. TDC is pretty lenient with that. TDC is lenient with a lot of things!
I'm thinking of a certain parable... give them an inch maybe? Nah, it's a different one...
Well, moderators, throughout the whole klik community have gone personal in the past. And a lot of them have been fired for that, but given another public reason. But no matter where, TDC, TK, #k&p, KA, PK, it's been fine, even when a moderator gets a bit personal, everyone else pulls him back.
Arguing with the ref is perfectly normal, though. Heh, in soccer, doing that would quickly land you a warning and a 2-match ban.
TDC is very, very lenient on it, more than I'd personally like. Most of the deleted posts have been completely negative. It doesn't really matter whether it's about another member or about the administrators sucking, if you're saying it just to start a fight, it doesn't help anyone.
Clickteam forums are very hard handed on it. I think that's why theirs have always been more orderly. TDC's always had a problem with trolls since the beginning and the more destructive ones take an entire year to ban, and even then, it's a very short ban. Even the ones with obvious bad intentions - posting pornographic images on the front page, those need 3 warnings before a ban.
But this leniency is the path that TDC chooses, it's what the members prefer, so it's how it's going to be.
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It's like arguing with the ref. Sure continued unfairness should be affronted, but gimme a break, are ya gonna die if some piddly topic was deleted for a reason? This whole shish kebab reminds me of the story of Chicken Little. In a community like this, it's normal to delete things all the time. In most places I've been there is no arguing with the admins OR the admin choices. If there are, you take it up with the head admin/owner, and his word is final. TDC is pretty lenient with that. TDC is lenient with a lot of things!