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Originally Posted by Rikus

New banning system idea:

After 2 months of someone being banned, automaticly 1 warning will be taken off the users account. If the person did not receive another warning the following month in its entire the second warning fill fall off the account and so on. Until all the warnings are cleared. However should that person receive enough warnings, another ban will be issued. The difference being that when its time for a warning to fall off this time the amount will be doubled, so instead if the first time it would take 1 month it will now take 2 months and so on for a warning to be removed. This should be a automated system.



What are some thought and feedbacks on if this should be implemented? And concerns on how it could affect the relevant current cases, like Phizzy being banned?

Personally I think its a little steep; its pretty much assessing a 1 Warning = 1 Month Ban kind of system, albeit with some delay. I think while it has some good intentions, its better to simple put some trust into the moderators and give them the leeway to decide when to ban/unban people, rather then make them adhere to arbitrary deadlines. If a person gets a warning for posting a single swear word in a thread, should that merit a month or more of ban? And if a person posts a trojan on the site plus a phishing site and spams the forums all in one go, should that only be worth a month? Likewise I think another problem is that it seems awfully tailored to rubbing in a ban against people who would otherwise simply make a new account and post. For example, if someone got a month ban for the aforementioned swear, and then came back and swore again 3 months later, it would be a total of something like 7 months before hes unbanned, over a teensy little matter.

Again, I think the current system is sufficient.

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5th March, 2008 at 10:41:50 -

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5th March, 2008 at 10:44:17 -

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5th March, 2008 at 10:45:19 -

Maybe!

I'll leave this unlocked for now but if it starts into an argument again it will be removed a second time, don't say I didn't warn you.

 
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Listen. I respect the work you put into this site, but I'm not going to "Respect your authoritah". I've been kliking as long as anyone. I've been programming since long before TDC existed, and I'll be programming long after TDC stops existing. I am on here for one reason and one reason only, and that is to help out people with their coding. I am here to help the noobies figure out how to use global values. I am not here to put up with asshattery. Phizzy is one of the few people that got up and actually helped out people with their coding problems, like so many people here are too lazy to do. And then one of the only other people thats actively helping besides me, gets banned because of trivial personal differences other asshats have with him. In short, you simply shouldn't be banning people over this trivial crap. There are too many redeeming qualities, too many good things to justify locking someone out whos doing more to help then all the forum trolls that push the line.

I respect what you've done for TDC, but I don't respect you any further then that, if you're going to stop people from helping newbies out. Phizzy has posted more examples and engines then most of the rest of us combined, and can't even post the rest of his because of his bans. And I am NOT putting up with that bullshit when I'm cruising the code-it forum trying to help people. I don't give a damn left or right about the drama you guys make in the forums, I want Phizzy unbanned because hes doing the one thing that actually matters. And thats the problem with the ban system we've got right now. If banning is left up to the discretion of the mods, you better damn well hope the mods have good discretion.

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5th March, 2008 at 10:57:20 -

I'm not stopping anyone from helping anyone, I'm simply trying to stop arguments constantly filling and quite frankly ruining these forums. I'm sick to the teeth of it, if you want to start and argument with someone, do it else where; It's not welcome here.

Anything I lock/delete/ban is purely for the advatage of the majority of users who just want a friendly environment, constant flaming, flooding, and general crap like the post I locked a few minutes ago is not a positive addition to the site; It helps nobody, and quite frankly drives people away from how hostile some of those posts sound.

Now please get back onto topic, constructive conversation about the topic please, anything else, keep it out of here.

 
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5th March, 2008 at 11:28:15 -

Couple problems with your argument.

A single incident doesn't result in a ban, multiple offenses do. A single swear isn't likely to get you a warning, but if you keep doing, then yeah you'll get a warning. It takes 3 or 5 warning to get a ban.

Bottom line, you follow the rules, you have nothing to worry about. If you constantly and consitantly break the rules, we'll ban you. Signing up with other accounts during your ban period isn't a clean slate; it's grouds for having that account banned and a further ban being placed on your original account.

 
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5th March, 2008 at 11:29:23 -

Good thinking, lets keep banning him for going around his ban and helping people in the code-it forum, being the wankers we are.

 
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5th March, 2008 at 11:31:11 -

Yeah, you're right, it IS good thinking. Who'd have thought that we'd want the rules enforced?

 
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5th March, 2008 at 11:41:13 -

Is there anyone in the code-it forums with more problems unsolved than usual, because Phizzy isn't there? No, they're all doing just fine.

What's more - the only reason Phizzy seems to help out so much - is because he always gets there first. He's always online, so he's going to be able to reply quicker than others. You have no argument there Pixeltheif.

 
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Originally Posted by Tim, the cat.
Is there anyone in the code-it forums with more problems unsolved than usual, because Phizzy isn't there? No, they're all doing just fine.

What's more - the only reason Phizzy seems to help out so much - is because he always gets there first. He's always online, so he's going to be able to reply quicker than others. You have no argument there Pixeltheif.



Ur right Tim, I've been posting in the code-it forum twice as much.


Originally Posted by Knudde (Shab)
Yeah, you're right, it IS good thinking. Who'd have thought that we'd want the rules enforced?



Cool, and since I've posted plenty more objectional little pixels lately, and have flagrantly violated several of the rules, and have absolutely no remorse and no qualms about say reposting this thread if it gets locked again, I suppose that means you have to ban me too? Or I have I not rubbed your rhubarb the wrong way yet, unlike Phizzy?

Your problem Shab, is that you're forgetting the rules are in there to serve the TDC members, not vice versa.

 
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5th March, 2008 at 11:57:50 -

And they do, until someone goes around (Not breaking the rules BTW) and continues posting things like this, only to cause disruption in the community.

If I didn't respect the rules, I'd have banned/silenced you a long time ago; Phizzy even encouraged me to do it yesterday. Sad as it is, you can keep posting these topics because it's not against the rules.

 
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5th March, 2008 at 11:59:02 -


Originally Posted by Tim, the cat.
Is there anyone in the code-it forums with more problems unsolved than usual, because Phizzy isn't there? No, they're all doing just fine.

What's more - the only reason Phizzy seems to help out so much - is because he always gets there first. He's always online, so he's going to be able to reply quicker than others. You have no argument there Pixeltheif.



Actually he does. Newbies get help quicker with Phizzy around, you just said it yourself.


Originally Posted by Pixelthief
Cool, and since I've posted plenty more objectional little pixels lately, and have flagrantly violated several of the rules, and have absolutely no remorse and no qualms about say reposting this thread if it gets locked again, I suppose that means you have to ban me too? Or I have I not rubbed your rhubarb the wrong way yet, unlike Phizzy?



Uh... Actually Shab and Phizzy are friendly outside of TDC. It's a joint admin decision to have him banned.

 
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Shab: "Sad as it is, you can keep posting these topics because it's not against the rules."

I'm not so sure.

Rule 3:

"Users should not engage in disruptive activity such as flooding (sending multiple messages within a short space of time). This will result in your profile being removed, and a permanent ban being enforced."

It would be interesting to know the opinions of others here. Do threads like this qualify as 'disruptive'? Would you say that the sometimes daily reposting of the same topic (sometimes, as in this case, an almost exact copy) counts as 'within a short space of time'?

Comments like having 'flagrantly violated several of the rules, and having absolutely no remorse and no qualms about say reposting this thread if it gets locked again' are in my opinion pretty disruptive.

And I do recall hearing the phrase 'stop flooding the forum with these threads'. It's food for thought...



Worse still, I fail to see the purpose of these threads. They're purportedly about discussion, but there's never any suggestion that Pixel might actually agree with anyone. It just keeps being reposted until Pixel gets what he wants.

And to boot, he calls everyone else childish. Go figure.

 
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5th March, 2008 at 15:44:50 -

Um, these topics aren't really flooding.
They appear to be a genuine attempt at discussing various site related issues. However the choice of topic and the posts that follow are worse than the fact Pixeltheif keeps creating them.

If we could just stop getting at each others throats over minor differences of opinion then there would be no problem at all.

 
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