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3rd January, 2012 at 11:02:24 -

2D gaming is dead, unless it's a puzzle game or a game built around a physics gimmick. You think I'm ignorant, I think you're delusional. Games like Battlefield and COD are offering new levels of immersion, throwing you right in the driver's seat of different types of unique vehicles, graphics looking more realistic than ever, allowing you to look right down the ironsights and take aim against the most realistic AI to date. With all this now accessible to pretty much everyone, it's clear to see why this place and Gamemaker's forums are dead. No-one wants to play as a 2D character in a bland world where only one side of things are seen... stuck with a camera anchored to the player object, can't see more than a few metres away from the character, low levels of immersion, ability to move and manipulate only two axis. 2D gaming will be eradicated from mobile devices soon, too, as they're becoming more powerful with better screens with each release.

 
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3rd January, 2012 at 12:05:06 -

Things always get quiet at Christmas and New Year - and we always get these "the community is dying" threads

 
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3rd January, 2012 at 14:01:20 -

Anyone saying 2D games are dead is not seeing the bigger picture. Granted, 3D games have been more or less the standard since 1997 or so, but only in the entertainment sector, the games for the dumb masses. We all know the mass has the sophistication level of a 12 year old. They indeed only play 2D games when it's a flashgame or a mobile game.
On a more sophisticated level (I am not even talking about "art games"), 2D games won't be dead as long as people make and play them. I only have to look at my MMF students to know this is still the case and will always be.

What worries me though, this used to be a community site filled with people with a passion for original (mostly 2D) games. Apart from the occasional shit like Pod people were encouraging. In the last few years this has turned to a "meh" culture. Just the fact that people state that 2D gaming is dead ON A SITE THAT HAS MAINLY BEEN ABOUT MAKING 2D GAMES says it all. No wonder developers left, admins are less motivated and our beloved leader stepped down!

It will all work out though, we are just in a long transitional phase.

 
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3rd January, 2012 at 15:15:28 -

Are we talking 2D graphics or 2D gameplay? Not that it really matters since neither is dying. 3D overall is just hogging the spotlight right now.

 
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3rd January, 2012 at 21:37:43 -

Do try to sound smart, fake satanist.


 
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3rd January, 2012 at 21:59:51 -

Yeah, I think we need more negative, undereducated people here.

 
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3rd January, 2012 at 22:22:17 -


Originally Posted by marky_2
2D gaming is dead, unless it's a puzzle game or a game built around a physics gimmick. You think I'm ignorant, I think you're delusional. Games like Battlefield and COD are offering new levels of immersion, throwing you right in the driver's seat of different types of unique vehicles, graphics looking more realistic than ever, allowing you to look right down the ironsights and take aim against the most realistic AI to date. With all this now accessible to pretty much everyone, it's clear to see why this place and Gamemaker's forums are dead. No-one wants to play as a 2D character in a bland world where only one side of things are seen... stuck with a camera anchored to the player object, can't see more than a few metres away from the character, low levels of immersion, ability to move and manipulate only two axis. 2D gaming will be eradicated from mobile devices soon, too, as they're becoming more powerful with better screens with each release.



We are on the same page. Everyone woul prefer 3d if their device supported it.
3D is always an improvement

 
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3rd January, 2012 at 23:37:38 -

Hayo is right. 2D gaming is not dead, and if you believe so I recommend you open your eyes (Super Mario Bros Wii, All-Stars has been re-released, the new Rayman game, Terraria, etc). Also I fail to see this mentality that if a game is not like real life, it's not fun. I am going to create a super realistic COD game. I am going to place numerous rifles, guns and armaments around the TV. When you die in game, a solenoid can activate the weapon that killed you, to kill you in real life. Full immersion! I will probably make millions off the masses!

Also to top it off regardless of the 2D/3D argument, most old school FPS gamers will tell you that COD etc are all slow and boring. I have much more fun playing serious sam HD or quake 3, all games with relatively dire graphics but they have no recovering health, no looking down "iron sights" all the time, and no taking one shot and camping whilst your health recovers.

Also baffled by the user base of TDC sometimes. We are all here making on the most part 2D games, yet we have such attitudes present. No wonder the community hardly does anything any more, there is hardly any constructiveness these days.

Fordom you are a bad troll, I will give you an F until your performance improves.

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3rd January, 2012 at 23:47:03 -


Originally Posted by Fordom
Do try to sound smart, fake satanist.



lol.

Besides that, there will always be an active community of 2D game developers because that's just how every single developer gets their start. To me, it seems we have a lot of MMF2 users here who have been with Clickteam products for a long time. I remember when I first used K'n'P and came here, and I felt accepted because there were so many other brand new developers just like me - granted my games were bad but that didn't matter, everyone still accepted me.

We don't seem to be attracting any more budding young developers, maybe the lack of them now is detering any new ones joining? While Circy is doing a great job (imo anyway, he's one guy) we could probably do with some more equally active admins. (Even though every new game shouldn't really make it to the front page, I remember regarding it with some kind of honour when a game was featured).

Just my (long) two cents.

 
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3rd January, 2012 at 23:48:51 -

Troll? Because i disagree with you?
Cod can muck off. Battlefield is the real deal. If you fail to see how realism in games can attract such a big audience then you, sir, are a troll.

Reasons why realism is gooD

1. Sadists can jerk off to the excessive violence
2. It's like real lif eONLY YOU AN'T DIE AND THE SKY IS THE LIMIT.
3. Can you fly military helicopters irl? Can you drive tanks?
4. You don't need to follow the rules of society

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3rd January, 2012 at 23:54:48 -

So in short, it's great for stupid people.

 
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Games based off of real life (i.e. modern military) are boring.

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4th January, 2012 at 00:28:53 -


Originally Posted by Fish20
Games based off of real life (i.e. modern military) are boring.


Blah blah blah. Just keep your mouth shut if you don't have anything acceptable to say.

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4th January, 2012 at 00:36:09 -


Originally Posted by Fordom

Originally Posted by Fish20
Games based off of real life (i.e. modern military) are boring.


Blah blah blah. I thoroughly enjoy being raped repeatedly by apes and rabid dogs.



Whatever floats your boat, lol.


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4th January, 2012 at 01:24:17 -

*puts on tunnel vision*

Clearly it's no coincidence that the members who are in agreeance here over the truth of 2D gaming, are the ones who have significantly more veterancy here. Not that I'm suggesting there's a direct correlation, just suggesting that the people who have been in the community longer seem to have a deeper appreciation for the 2D genre.

Maybe you'll understand a little more, when real 3D TV's are being shoved down your throats and you're trying to convince new game developers that you didn't need things to be real 3D to have a perfectly real and very positive gaming experience. Sure, there's probably more depth but in an ironic turn of events, the games often suffer from careless use of it.

Case in point: Sonic was a brilliant 2D platform game. It's attempt to land the 3D gaming scene was absolutely terrible because it's not the same thing + more awesomeness... it's a completely different ballgame. It worked so well on 2D because it truly was designed and optimized for 2D. Which is EXACTLY why... Sonic's first truly good game of the decade, Sonic Generations, was incidentally most likely a result of the fact that it featured the classic 2D gameplay.

Of course, fighting someones ignorance when their basis upon such ignorance is a world foolishly believed to be reality, is a losing battle. So whatever, if you want to shut off a truly great genre of gaming on a foolish notion that it's dead, far be it from anyone more informed than you, to try to change your mind.

Also, you're not going to get a rise out of me for calling me a satanist. I wear a pentacle necklace, you act like it's the first time I've been ignorantly mislabeled as satanic. Not that you even know what a true satanist is, I'm probably wasting my time by telling you that I'm not, since you either already know and/or don't care. Grow up.

 
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