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aphant
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3rd March, 2009 at 22:40:54 -
I'm still of the opinion that adding this section would be a waste of resources, whether its for art, music, or both. Any aspiring artists here can get decent feedback from the forums as it is, seeing as anybody can critique art. It's really easy to constructively comment on art too, seeing as how most of it is just a shading issue. Most of the art posted on the forums gets decent feedback already, so having a section for this is moot.
Any aspiring musicians will be hard-pressed to get any good feedback from this community, I think. How many of us know what equalization or compression are, and how they affect sound quality? What a low pass filter or flanger is? I'd wager that the only feedback musicians would get is whether or not the song is liked, not why it's liked or how it can be improved or changed. A music section might encourage people to post more music, but who can actually make a constructive comment to help improve on the music? This isn't a music site, so I'd say not many. Hell, I often visit music sites and I can't even make a constructive comment. You have to really understand music theory and technical music jargon in order to be of any help; For instance, who can tell me the difference between an E# and an F?
Perhaps people should start tagging their threads better, with [ART] to indicate that they're trying to showcase their art, or [MUSIC] if they're posting music. An entire section for this is a waste of everyone's time.
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W3R3W00F
Drum and Bass Fueled Psycho
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3rd March, 2009 at 23:33:04 -
Ok, dude- let's take it from the top.
"I'm still of the opinion that adding this section would be a waste of resources, whether its for art, music, or both. Any aspiring artists here can get decent feedback from the forums as it is, seeing as anybody can critique art. It's really easy to constructively comment on art too, seeing as how most of it is just a shading issue. Most of the art posted on the forums gets decent feedback already, so having a section for this is moot."
Why not delete the DL and Project section and post all of our apps in the forums too?
"Any aspiring musicians will be hard-pressed to get any good feedback from this community, I think. How many of us know what equalization or compression are, and how they affect sound quality? What a low pass filter or flanger is?"
That's what premade loops are for, man. And you're making it sound like only serious artists can make music. Dude, think again. People on Newgrounds are just random anybodies who will likely post a few songs and drop out. The same goes for drawings. And if you missed the line, "So basically the plan would be to have an awesome art section just to show off your stuff, while attracting new members." well there it is.
"This isn't a music site, so I'd say not many."
I didn't intend on making it a music site . Newgrounds is an extremely popular site with it's foundation built around Flash and it has loads of music.
"Hell, I often visit music sites and I can't even make a constructive comment. You have to really understand music theory and technical music jargon in order to be of any help; For instance, who can tell me the difference between an E# and an F?"
It's not easy to give constructive critisism if you don't know how. It's better to just rate based on how much you liked it.
"An entire section for this is a waste of everyone's time."
Last note: Read the comments; Everyone pretty much gave it a thumbs up. It's you against the crowd.
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OMC
What a goofball
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4th March, 2009 at 00:03:08 -
You make me laugh WEREW00F. 
"Why not delete the DL and Project section and post all of our apps in the forums too?" Because this is a game-making site.
"That's what premade loops are for, man." Oh wow, what wonderful original music that we've all heard before and took skill to make.
"It's not easy to give constructive critisism if you don't know how." That's what he's saying.
"Last note: Read the comments; Everyone pretty much gave it a thumbs up. It's you against the crowd." LOL! This is hilarious. Even if it were true... that automatically makes logical thinking pointless? An age-old adage comes to mind about jumping off cliffs...
Adam: I think more people would know those things than you think. Everyone knows that compression affects quality, and equalization is hardly something we'd need to worry about here. Most music that is posted would likely be in MIDI form, (or originated as a midi-type file) so low-pass filters and flangers are quite unrelated. I'll bet anyone who's seen a keyboard more than twice in their life knows that an E# is an F. (Which doesn't matter at all) People don't need to know music jargon to know what patterns are pleasing and what is enjoyable. Is the advice, "The part between 3:30 and 3:40 needs more drums and less piano" any less useful than "Add some toms and high-hats on track 4 from 3:30 to 3:40 and set the piano track's dynamic to pianissimo"?
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W3R3W00F
Drum and Bass Fueled Psycho
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4th March, 2009 at 00:22:34 -
I'm very glad I make deh laugh happen. :3
"Because this is a game-making site."
Lol I know I was being sarcastic.
"Oh wow, what wonderful original music that we've all heard before and took skill to make. "
If you don't have any recording equipment, whatcha 'sposed to do?
"LOL! This is hilarious. Even if it were true... that automatically makes logical thinking pointless? An age-old adage comes to mind about jumping off cliffs..."
I love jumping of cliffs...!^^
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OMC
What a goofball
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4th March, 2009 at 00:27:00 -
And that is why you are awesome.  You are one of the only people around here who doesn't automatically think a reply to your comments is mean-natured. (Which it wasn't)
I know you were being sarcastic... but the way you said it made it seem like it was supposed to be obvious that music should have its own section or the games should not. *shrugs*
If you don't have recording equipment, loops are fine and awesome... But not something that should have a section dedicated to them. Music sections (it seems to me at least) should have original music, not choice selections of premade stuff. That's like dedicating a game section on a site where people only know how to use Clickteam's stock sprites. it can look good, but it's not yours, if you know what I mean. 
You're a goofball.
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W3R3W00F
Drum and Bass Fueled Psycho
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4th March, 2009 at 00:48:34 -
Originally Posted by OldManClaytonAnd that is why you are awesome. You are one of the only people around here who doesn't automatically think a reply to your comments is mean-natured. (Which it wasn't)
I know you were being sarcastic... but the way you said it made it seem like it was supposed to be obvious that music should have its own section or the games should not. *shrugs*
If you don't have recording equipment, loops are fine and awesome... But not something that should have a section dedicated to them. Music sections (it seems to me at least) should have original music, not choice selections of premade stuff. That's like dedicating a game section on a site where people only know how to use Clickteam's stock sprites. it can look good, but it's not yours, if you know what I mean.
You're a goofball.
I'm awesome? I'm a goofball? I'm an AWESOME GOOFBALL? 
I feel like an awesome goofball. :3
I would make my own music if I had the equipment (And the skill) but I'll have to stick with the FLs 8 and Mixcraft demos for now. 
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aphant
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4th March, 2009 at 01:03:55 -
Originally Posted by ωξяξW○○FThat's what premade loops are for, man. And you're making it sound like only serious artists can make music. Dude, think again. People on Newgrounds are just random anybodies who will likely post a few songs and drop out. The same goes for drawings. And if you missed the line, "So basically the plan would be to have an awesome art section just to show off your stuff, while attracting new members." well there it is.
"This isn't a music site, so I'd say not many."
I didn't intend on making it a music site . Newgrounds is an extremely popular site with it's foundation built around Flash and it has loads of music.
"Hell, I often visit music sites and I can't even make a constructive comment. You have to really understand music theory and technical music jargon in order to be of any help; For instance, who can tell me the difference between an E# and an F?"
It's not easy to give constructive critisism if you don't know how. It's better to just rate based on how much you liked it.
Hah, Newgrounds. Most of the serious artists on NG don't like the way the audio portal works. They don't like the rating system, they don't like premade loops. They don't like the random nobodies who just say, "I like this music," either. Now, NG has tons of music because you just upload and it's on there immediately (unless you're a first timer). You can upload whatever you want, and that's why there are over 260,000 "songs" on the site; Most of them aren't quality songs (or loops), but just random nobodies slapping premade loops together and calling it music. The best music on NG comes from the people who aren't making music for the lulz, but because they enjoy making music. If I had to guess, only a small fraction of the songs on NG are of such quality, with maybe 50 artists who actually enjoy making the best music they can. Guess where you can find most of these people: In the NG audio forums!
@OMC:
I'll bet anyone who's seen a keyboard more than twice in their life knows that an E# is an F. (Which doesn't matter at all)
What if they're written as two separate notes? How do you play an F as a different note?
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MBK
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6th March, 2009 at 00:52:34 -
I think that a MUCH better and Less Resource-Wasting idea would be to ORGANISE the LINKS and throw in LINKS to MUSIC SITES in the MUSIC LINK SECTION, and throw in LINKS to ART SITES in the ART SECTION, (ripped sprite sites should NOT be considered ART). And of course other sites with potential human resources of artists, musicians, coders, etc.
So, in conclusion:
ORGANISATION of
LINKS to SITES
in SECTIONS
ART
MUSIC
ANIMATION/CARTOONS/VIDEOS etc.
Click Me! http://www.create-games.com/project.asp?view=main&id=1444
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?aoo1dnnlq5i
Blood of the Ancient One, Seen only as Shadow, Faster than Lightning, Fierce as the Greatest Dragon, Nearly Invisible, Floating in a Dream, Entered through the Demon Door, Destroyer of Evil in a Realm with a Red Sky Scarred, Who could I be ?
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W3R3W00F
Drum and Bass Fueled Psycho
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6th March, 2009 at 20:06:13 -
"Hah, Newgrounds. Most of the serious artists on NG don't like the way the audio portal works. They don't like the rating system, they don't like premade loops. They don't like the random nobodies who just say, "I like this music," either."
How would you know- are you a Newgrounds member and what is your account name? Have you been chatting to various artists that say crap about the Audio Portal?
Tbh I don't think all members would hate premade loops- There was a member by the name of "Fat Barry (lul wut. )" and his song was made entirely from Mixcraft. His song was number 1 in the funk section. How do I know it was premade loops? I use Mixcraft.
Also I honestly wouldn't assume they don't like people saying "I like this song. It's really cool.". In fact, I really don't thing anyone but the artist cares.
"Now, NG has tons of music because you just upload and it's on there immediately (unless you're a first timer). You can upload whatever you want, and that's why there are over 260,000 "songs" on the site; Most of them aren't quality songs (or loops), but just random nobodies slapping premade loops together and calling it music. The best music on NG comes from the people who aren't making music for the lulz, but because they enjoy making music."
People upload their tracks so people can rate, enjoy, and discern quality. If it's crap, it's crap. If it's good, it's good. I've downloaded a bunch of songs from newgrounds and I was really impressed. Some weren't so good, but hey- The members decided that. Again, you're making it sound like only aspiring musicians should be allowed to post music. Wether or not it's fun, everybody should be able to do it with no bickering attached. While I fully agree that you should make music because it's fun, that doesn't mean music should only be made with a grin.
"If I had to guess, only a small fraction of the songs on NG are of such quality, with maybe 50 artists who actually enjoy making the best music they can. Guess where you can find most of these people: In the NG audio forums!"
I have heard alot of good songs- most of which are trance (Getting kinda old... ).
I'd have to say you're right about only 50 artists of such quality on newgrounds, but as I've said, the plan is also to attract more musicians. Not BETTER musicians.
BTW, I like that idea MBK.
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aphant
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7th March, 2009 at 13:51:31 -
Originally Posted by ωξяξW○○F
How would you know- are you a Newgrounds member and what is your account name? Have you been chatting to various artists that say crap about the Audio Portal?
If you don't believe me, then ask them yourself. I trust you know where the site is?
I'm not saying only aspiring musicians can post music. I'm saying that TDC is not the site aspiring musicians would go to if they're looking to improve their music. Having a music isn't going to attract more musicians, either; There's already music here, so why should they contribute? If you want to attract more musicians, then give them incentive to come here and post music. No, the promise of having your song used in a game is not good enough. You have to show them that their music is needed.
A "Help Wanted!" section would be more useful. Posting videos/screenshots of your game in action, and with note that you're looking to add music, will encourage people to come. Take Tormishire, for example: Imagine the trailers have no music. How many musicians would come flocking to try and get their musical stylings into the game? Then take Peko Falls, same deal as before: How many people would come flocking to get their musical styling in? Here's a general idea: Peko Falls would probably draw one or two people in, while Tormishire would draw more in. Why? Presentation. Tormi looks polished and you get an immediate idea of what the game is about, while Peko Falls looks rather ambiguous at this time.
This "help wanted" section could be largely avoided if the front page was actually updated with these postings, likely if they were batch postings as news items.
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