The Daily Click

::. ::. ::.

Post Oekaki

Posted By	Message
Ski TDC is my stress ball Registered 13/03/2005 Points 10130	27th January, 2009 at 04:48:38 - Lyle has loads of attention. I believe he's a character they are developing into the Indie Brawl over at Tigsource. n/a
Knudde (Shab) Administrator Crazy? Registered 31/01/2003 Points 5125	27th January, 2009 at 05:09:44 - Originally Posted by -Adam- Lyle has loads of attention. I believe he's a character they are developing into the Indie Brawl over at Tigsource. Agreed, it took a while, but Lyle is a pretty big game. It happened shortly after Sharky posted his top 101 freeware last year (like january). Lyle was way up there (20's-30's I think) and so was Hasslevania. Craps, I'm an old man!
Ski TDC is my stress ball Registered 13/03/2005 Points 10130	27th January, 2009 at 05:16:01 - >.> <.< Although I'm personally not much of a fan of it n/a
Pixelthief Dedicated klik scientist Registered 02/01/2002 Points 3419	27th January, 2009 at 05:21:55 - All my information is out of date Lyle had no attention back when it came out, at least :~) But I'm sure if you dig around, theres plenty of deserving games that don't get very many downloads. I mean the point is, this site gets almost no visitors. People don't come here to play games, only a few very lost wanderers will come for that. In general, most of the downloads are coming from the community and people who know them... Its not a very open website. Gridquest V2.00 is out!! http://www.create-games.com/download.asp?id=7456
Ski TDC is my stress ball Registered 13/03/2005 Points 10130	27th January, 2009 at 05:29:21 - Yes but it depends on your perception of "deserving". People who don't make games as a hobby tend not to appreciate the work/programming that goes into them. You may think a game has a wonderful engine, but if another teenager who's never made a game in his/her life plays it they will most likely judge it differently , on flaws in the presentation, theme or graphics for example. n/a
Pixelthief Dedicated klik scientist Registered 02/01/2002 Points 3419	27th January, 2009 at 05:38:44 - Yes Adam, but even of those games, the ones grounded in the Klik circles tend not to get as great a seeing as they should. Some games like Knytt Stories or Eternal Daughter might break free of that, but even the games that seem to be well presented and popular here like Paroxysm, are they getting the same amount of gameplay as a bat/ball on the free games websites? It might have thousands of downloads, on here and other sites, but its not in the same order of magnitude. Gridquest V2.00 is out!! http://www.create-games.com/download.asp?id=7456
MJK Possibly Insane Registered 22/03/2006 Points 3592	27th January, 2009 at 05:40:05 - Originally Posted by Pixelthief Yes I understand that and maybe its not the best example, but you have to admit theres tons of games on here that don't get the downloads they deserve. Lyle in Cube Sector was my better example. - - Having a great community is nice, but lets face it, nobody plays our games This is absolutely true. The games are not utilized as well as they could be...they are submitted, downloaded, played and commented by other developers and by a few gamers inside 1-2 weeks, and then what? Nothing, they get buried in the neverending download list and their lifecycle ends immediately. It's a developer-focused site and this shows in the way content is handled. This is of course only natural, because TDC is a site primarily for Click developers - and a very good site in that. One potential way to get more people is to develop the site slightly more towards what could be called a "gaming community" (check my previous post on first pages). The first subtle changes might be to rename "downloads" as "games" (and separate applications, engines and other nerdy stuff to their own list), "gotw" as "best games" and move it besides "games" in the menu. Implement some type of GOTM or GsOTY and provide even higher quality "best games" section where games rotate in order so that also older games have equal visibility. And finally, that Java arcade center with rankings tied into the member profiles, where developers bring the content directly for the gamers to play in their browsers. Now this would be a big thing (more members, more repeat visitors, smaller bounce rate, not conflicting with developer side). Originally Posted by Pixelthief The leecher sites are the ones that send out bots to the internet to steal games. I wouldn't call that stealing if they are freeware games we are talking about. I'm personally submitting all of my games for the "bots" to "steal" - that's pretty much the most important thing in game publishing, to get players. n/a
Pixelthief Dedicated klik scientist Registered 02/01/2002 Points 3419	27th January, 2009 at 05:47:31 - I don't really mean it with a negative connotation, its just what they do. Spiderbots crawl the sites like this and thieve away games. Sometimes they do it for good reasons, sometimes its rather ambivalent, and its up to you to appreciate the increase exposure. Then again, a rare few end up being illegally sold on CD packs in the far east, little to your knowledge. Frankly if I had a game I felt deserve the exposure I'd be throwing it all around those sites too. But like you say, TDC simply isn't a good place to 'get the players'. Even the games that succeeded, like FIG, Knytt Stories, Eternal Daughter and the alike, they didn't do it on TDC. TDC is only a tiny fraction of these games downloads and players. They might be the community who made it, but they aren't the website where it goes off towards glory. So you need to ask yourself, is TDC capable of being both developer community and launching pad? Its a major commitment on behalf of people like Clubsoft, and I really don't think a feasible idea. Its more likely to just shrink with the community and eventually poof on us, but such is life. I'll be doing it all professionally by then, anyway. But face the facts, nobody comes to TDC to download games Gridquest V2.00 is out!! http://www.create-games.com/download.asp?id=7456
Rikus Administrator Crazy for News Registered 02/12/2001 Points 980502	27th January, 2009 at 06:04:18 - Mjk that is a great idea about the top bar name changes!, I already asked club and flava what they think. To add to it i want to change the gotw link to a "Best Games" page were only the top rated games by users and admins are displayed. This way you can a nice overview on good working games then will stay on the site for times to come and wont get bogged down. The gotw page would remain intact it would now just be linked from within the new "best games" page within that page on a side box instead having the link on the top bar. Pixel: I think i will never let this site go poof. No way Be sure to follow us on the twitters for the latest and greatest: @dailyclick
alastair john jack BANNED Registered 01/10/2004 Points 294	27th January, 2009 at 11:12:18 - I don't think games suddenly die when they're a few weeks old. Before I registered here, I use to search the database all the time for games. lol
OMC What a goofball Registered 21/05/2007 Points 3516	27th January, 2009 at 13:27:57 - The thing is, it's the author of the game's responsibility to get it out and known. TDC has always been a place for clickers to share their works and help each other, it's never been to get their game huge and widespread. If someone wants their game noticed, they need to show it to more than just one site regardless of how TDC is run, so it seems fairly straightforward to me that TDC's focus should stay the way it is. I'm ok with changes, but if you're all into wanting some entirely new site, just start a new one! Everyone can hop on board over there and I'll stay all by myself on the DC if I have to. Even if we try to change this, it will be hard to get people to come anyway, and you'll lose at least one member. I signed up here as a clicker, not just any old Indie game developer. We need at least one good click-focused site, and if this one goes down or becomes another universal Indie gaming site, clicking may go all the farther under. EDIT: Spelling. >_> Edited by OMC
Del Duio Born in a Bowling Alley Registered 29/07/2005 Points 1078	27th January, 2009 at 13:39:55 - Originally Posted by -Adam- Yes but it depends on your perception of "deserving". People who don't make games as a hobby tend not to appreciate the work/programming that goes into them. You may think a game has a wonderful engine, but if another teenager who's never made a game in his/her life plays it they will most likely judge it differently , on flaws in the presentation, theme or graphics for example. I find Lyle to be so awesome not only because it plays / looks / sounds great, but because Boogoo was able to do things with the engine that I personally find to be very difficult. I think "little" things like a solid platform engine go largely unnoticed by your regular Joe. -- "Del Duio has received 0 trophies. Click here to see them all." "To be a true ninja you must first pick the most stealthy of our assorted combat suits. Might I suggest the bright neon orange?" DXF Games, coming next: Hasslevania 2- This Space for Rent!
Del Duio Born in a Bowling Alley Registered 29/07/2005 Points 1078	27th January, 2009 at 13:47:01 - Originally Posted by -Adam- "Knock if off Adam. He's as busy making games as I am, and thats quite a bit more than you, honestly." Oh? You're both working on 6 projects continuously? Edit: I also think the site is busy enough. I think you will rarely find awesome talent here though. TDC is like a nest for chicks learning to fly, then they fly to Tigsource. Some of those birds might choose to stick around, since TDC isn't a hotbed nest for elitists. -- "Del Duio has received 0 trophies. Click here to see them all." "To be a true ninja you must first pick the most stealthy of our assorted combat suits. Might I suggest the bright neon orange?" DXF Games, coming next: Hasslevania 2- This Space for Rent!
MJK Possibly Insane Registered 22/03/2006 Points 3592	27th January, 2009 at 14:00:42 - That's a valid point by OldManClayton. I agree that changing to a more general (still click-focused though) Indie-developer site is a risky choice and there are possible conflicts ahead due to more heterogeneous memberbase and less focused content. It's good to have a dedicated Click site and TDC does that very very well, so I would also rather see this as a Click site in the future. But if the goal is to get more members, then change is needed, like it or not. To get the gamers here (and not other indie developers) is a different case as it's in everyone's interest to have games better presented on the site so that they are made aware to people. Can TDC become both a gaming portal and a development community? Oh yes it can! Just look at the Gamer Maker community at http://www.yoyogames.com/ how things are arranged. The frontpage is 100% for gamers, direct access to games, very good presentation. The name "YoYo Games" is far from nerdy game development, it communicates fun & easy gaming - it's targetted to gamers to get maximum visibility. Then it has this "Make" section where the actual gaming community starts to reveal itself. This is very clever site structure that serves the needs of both developers and gamers. Developers surely enjoy the high visibility that their games are getting from more-or-less-casual gamers outside the actual development community. Still it doesn't prevent the developers to have their own dedicated forum (actually the one major drawback of yoyogames is the external development forum and lack of depth in that side of community) to discuss game development. If we talk about radical changes (no one likes these of course), TDC could have a gamer-focused frontpage or "first layer of the portal" (filled with content created by us, the click developers) and then this existing (TDC as of today) development side of community would remain as it is and become accessible from the frontpage (rather than dominating the whole site). What comes to the name, "The Daily Click" is a good name for people who know clicking, but it doesn't communicate anything outside to potential new members. "Create Games" communicates clearly what the current site is all about, but if the gamers would be one segment to reach for in the future, then it's not a good name either. "YoYo Games" is a good example here as well. n/a
Ski TDC is my stress ball Registered 13/03/2005 Points 10130	27th January, 2009 at 14:30:54 - Originally Posted by Del Duio Originally Posted by -Adam- Yes but it depends on your perception of "deserving". People who don't make games as a hobby tend not to appreciate the work/programming that goes into them. You may think a game has a wonderful engine, but if another teenager who's never made a game in his/her life plays it they will most likely judge it differently , on flaws in the presentation, theme or graphics for example. I find Lyle to be so awesome not only because it plays / looks / sounds great, but because Boogoo was able to do things with the engine that I personally find to be very difficult. I think "little" things like a solid platform engine go largely unnoticed by your regular Joe. I wasn't really talking about Lyle there, but okay n/a

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 All

Advertisement

Worth A Click