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21st October, 2008 at 21:41:14 -


Originally Posted by OldManClayton

Well, of course. Computer land is all about obsolete-upgrade-obsolete-upgrade. Vista takes more memory than XP, so it's obviously not going to run some games as well. Same as when XP came out.



Actually no. Vista has by far been the greatest leap in minimum system requirements. I've always kept a number of legacy PC's for compatibility but I've had Pentium 3 500mhz machines running and gaming on XP without losing performance compared to Win2K, ME or 98. And that's supposed to be the minimum to get XP running (or used to be, there are ways of cutting the fat out of XP that would probably shrink the minimum spec).
I've got a big chunk of ram in my personal machine now and I still lose performance. Frankly I'd rather not buy another video card when my current one can still run all the source games at 1680x1050 and full settings (barring AA) at 30fps, just to run Vista. But 'nuff bout that and back to my newly acquired 8gb rammage gaming.

 
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21st October, 2008 at 23:50:44 -

Windows 98: 16 MB RAM, 66 MHz processor
Windows XP: 64 MB Ram, 233 MHz processor
Vista: 512 MB Ram, 800 MHZ

The requirements went UP 4x between 98 and XP (3 years between operating systems)
The requirements went UP 5x between XP and Vista (5 years between OS)

sorry Dr. James, you're wrong. Vista hasn't leaped in requirements. It has gone the ususual pace.


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21st October, 2008 at 23:52:08 -

Regardless of the actual specs, it's still a given that some things will run slower on an OS that requires more RAM. That doesn't make it bad.

I see what you mean though.

 

  		
  		

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22nd October, 2008 at 00:41:03 -

Naturally no one read my post.

Vista doesn't use more RAM to run. It UTILIZES your ram. The reason you all experience slow downs is because the constant exchange is creating a bottleneck on your RAM unless you have a large amount or very fast ram. Preferably both if you don't want to see any loss in performance. Vista is a leap in requirements, because it's a leap in optimization.

Vista doesn't have a recommended ram speed because barely anyone even knows RAM actually has a speed at which it can exchange information or they just don't care. This leads people to think "Oh well it needs more RAM, the OS sucks because that's less for me to use." When that's the exact opposite effect. Unless your computer can fit snug within or above the comfort zone of Vista, then you will experience a negative impact as a result of Vista not being able to optimize itself properly.

Is this Microsoft's fault for not adding more flexibility? Hell yes! But please check up on your facts in line before you start spitting out reasons why you think Vista either isn't great, or why it's not as good as it could have been. Especially when you're wrong.

 
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22nd October, 2008 at 01:13:04 -

I read your post.

 
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22nd October, 2008 at 01:35:24 -

I have Vista on my laptop . I really prefer XP.

 
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22nd October, 2008 at 01:40:55 -

For laptops, XP is better because Vista likes to always have your computer be doing something (uses more battery power).

 
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22nd October, 2008 at 01:55:33 -

>_> You must not have posted that for me, because that changes nothing about what I was saying.

 

  		
  		

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22nd October, 2008 at 02:52:57 -

Vista, but I'm clueless about what makes all these good or bad...

 
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22nd October, 2008 at 04:57:47 -

If I recall, Vista (and XP) can only use 8GB of RAM, too. I forget what the reason was, but if you have any more than that it won't get used, and it'll be wasted memory. I think you can only have up to 4 sticks, as well, for the same forgotten reason that you can only use 8GB. Macs can do up to I think 32GB, but I'm not sure about that at all.

 

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22nd October, 2008 at 08:19:43 -


Originally Posted by Adam Phant
If I recall, Vista (and XP) can only use 8GB of RAM, too. I forget what the reason was, but if you have any more than that it won't get used, and it'll be wasted memory. I think you can only have up to 4 sticks, as well, for the same forgotten reason that you can only use 8GB. Macs can do up to I think 32GB, but I'm not sure about that at all.



Are you sure it's 8GB? I thought it was only 4 GB... maybe your right

 
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22nd October, 2008 at 08:56:48 -

It depends. Any 32 bit operating system can't use more than 4GB RAM. Vista and XP both can't use more than 3GB in 32bit. The limit for the 64 bit version of Vista is somewhere in the terabytes. I highly doubt we will ever need to or could practically use even 1 terabyte of RAM.

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22nd October, 2008 at 09:07:29 -


Originally Posted by Ricky
It depends. Any 32 bit operating system can't use more than 4GB RAM. Vista and XP both can't use more than 3GB in 32bit. The limit for the 64 bit version of Vista is somewhere in the terabytes. I highly doubt we will ever need to or could practically use even 1 terabyte of RAM.

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22nd October, 2008 at 09:13:37 -

I could be wrong.
Years ago, Bill Gates said "No one will ever need more than 640 KB of RAM"

 
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22nd October, 2008 at 09:19:09 -


Originally Posted by Ricky
I could be wrong.
Years ago, Bill Gates said "No one will ever need more than 640 KB of RAM"



hahahaha
gates was so wrong

i think that the standard power of computers will get greater all the time, because we keep thinking of things that require better hardware than we currently have.

You said that we'll never need 1 terrabyte of RAM, but who knows

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