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7th June, 2007 at 14:12:13 -

I think it's more "HD has failed". Even the GC outsold the PS3 and 360 in the first 6 months.

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7th June, 2007 at 14:15:42 -

How can you say it's failed before it's even taken off? These things take time and you're not giving it any time. The same was with DVDs. The same is for ANY product. Sales start off low, then increase. The Xbox 360 and PS3 haven't even been out for a year - when HD finally kicks off, which it will, then the 360 and PS3 will probably gain more sales. You can't just say it's failed, because it hasn't failed at all.. Unless you can tell me in what way it has exactly failed.

You can say that HD is performing poorly, but you can't say it's failed and nobody will ever buy anything HD ever again.

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7th June, 2007 at 14:22:02 -

lol settle down Flava, no offence but from what i have seen all the Consoles have some performance bottlenecks. PS3 has RAM issues and especially video ram speed, it cuts the bandwidth down a load compared to say a 8800 GTS. The 360 has less raw CPU power but with fast EDRAM acess and generally a nicer graphics system. Note the word nicer from an arhitectural point of view, becuase i am not too fully breifed up on the specs .

Theres one thing for sure i think PC's will generally still be the supreme machine.

PS1/N64 ~33 MHz/95 MHz, i had a pentium 1 200 MHz (the first one with MMX if memory serves me well)
PS2 ~330 MHz/GameCube ~500 MHz,Xbox 750 MHz - i had a Athlon 1.4 GHz if i remember.

If the trend continues with disregard to the specs they qoute, a high end PC should still be a very competent gaming machine. I seriously think two 8800 GTX in SLI could seriously pump some graphics out.

 
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7th June, 2007 at 14:22:32 -

Because the mass public aren't keen on spending *that* much on a gaming console, and never have done? The first 6 months are very important. It's the period where the public interest is highest, it's where devs decide on going based on the most popular system. People don't want to wait around. I'm considering selling my PS3 since I've had it 6 months and literally nothing has come out for it. The longer I leave it the less I'll be able to make back off it.

And 360 has failed in a way. It just can't make it in Japan. Whereas the Wii has a stranglehold on every region (or in 2nd, if you count the DS).

Sony fans told us to wait till the system was launched. Then until the first big games came out. then until Euro launch. then another 3 months. I'm sick of waiting for something good to happen.

 
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7th June, 2007 at 14:24:44 -

Heh I am calm - and I am not stupid, I can see the Wii is the most popular and everything. It's just claims like PS3/360/HD have failed, suck .etc are completely ridiculous and immature. I'm glad the Wii, which was probably the underdog before all these consoles were released, is performing so well. But that doesn't mean the others have failed - not by a long shot. It's only been 2-3 damn months since all of these consoles have been in the market together.#

And I respect your opinions James - but just because you don't like something, it doesn't mean it has failed. When the PS3, 360 and HD TV sets, movies .etc are discontinued, then you can tell me that they've failed. If you simply say "I think they will fail" - then I'd be fine with that. But to say they've already failed, just doesn't make any sense to me.

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7th June, 2007 at 14:31:12 -

NDP numbers are immature?

HD failed too. Of course it's going to be mainstream and in the majority of homes in a decade or so. I take it you know nothing about the standards issue that plagued early HD, or the still lack of decent HD sources in Britain (LOL a friend is paying through the teeth for Sky HD - idiot).

Ps. I see failed in reference to the original companies claims. If Sony said "we'll sell X many systems" and don't reach that figure (laughably so) then it's failed. The public wasn't buying. It's not dead. But it failed to reach targets. It's also failing to hold onto key developers and franchises.

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7th June, 2007 at 14:38:21 -

All I'm saying is that you shouldn't call anything a failure, until it's dead and buried. If you say something failed, then you're saying it will never succeed. If you said, "HD has failed in the short-term" or "HD hasn't met it's expectations" - I could understand that. But it just sounds like your saying HD will never pick up (although I see now you've acknowledged that it may be mainstream in the future).

Anyway we obviously have different opinions; all we can do is wait and see what happens. But from now on, none of this PS3/360 sucks thing. Applies to the Wii also. If you think it sucks, give a valid reason. All this fanboy stuff happens on other forums I moderate and it completely annoys me. And really, James, I completely understand where you're coming from and why you think what you think.

And Adam stop with the immature posts please - because I'll just delete them if I have to.

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7th June, 2007 at 14:39:38 -

PS1/N64 ~33 MHz/95 MHz, i had a pentium 1 200 MHz (the first one with MMX if memory serves me well)
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But consoles always have a better performance, not because they're more powerful but because the developers won't have to assure compatibility with a wide range of hardware configurations. They just have to optimize it for one configuration.

Sony fans told us to wait till the system was launched. Then until the first big games came out. then until Euro launch. then another 3 months. I'm sick of waiting for something good to happen.

I foresee the Metal Gear Solid 4 launch... and the game sucks. Then a few months later a much superior Wii MGS game is released. Hey it happened to the Sonic games!

 
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7th June, 2007 at 14:42:48 -

I never said HD wouldn't pick up. I mean look, you live in the UK right? The government will be handing out vouchers for free Freeview boxes as they start shutting off the analogue signal. So many people, old or people who don't care, still bother with analogue TV. The majority of TV's still don't have Freeview as standard.
If we're that far behind with a cheap 20 quid box to plug into a TV, how long is it going to take for HDTV's to be a majority? Or until an OTA signal actually looks good on one?

All that and we *still* only get 512kbps broadband in the hills

And public transport is still bollocks.

 
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7th June, 2007 at 14:50:04 -

Yeh I suppose you're right - I suppose it depends how long our current TVs last too. The majority of TV stores around my area only sell HD TVs (or HD ready) now - I'm not sure if that is the same around the rest of the country. I don't think my family will be buying a HD TV for the quality or anything - probably just will be the only TV we can buy once our current one goes bust.

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7th June, 2007 at 14:56:33 -

PhreddySE i have a undergrad degree in Comp Science, and almost finished a Postgrad Degree so i know that but having twice the MHz under the hood and generally better graphics cards and oodles more ram leaves for some room for inefficiency.

Plus i cant remember any game looking better on my consoles (I have GC PS2 and Xbox) than on my PC. Higher Res, better textures, etc etc. My PC back then had a Geforce 4800ti . I dont run mediocre PC's...Better Efficiency Yes more raw processing power lols. Like a 1.6 litre engine versus a nice big big block V8 - although being highly inefficient, no chance .

 
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7th June, 2007 at 15:03:30 -

But yeh the reason I bought the PS3 is because I am a bit of a movie nut and a gamer - it's actually pretty cheap for a blu-ray player (blu-ray players alone are pretty expensive, so £500 for a blu-ray player and games console explains the price - just depends whether you want movies and games, or just games).

I don't think either console has "exclusive" games that make one better than the other. Sure 360 will have Halo 3, but PS3 will have MGS4. But apart from those, there are no games which make me want to buy one console over the other.

I don't think my family will be buying a HD TV for the quality or anything - probably just will be the only TV we can buy once our current one goes bust.

Wait a min... Are you telling me you bought a PS3 for Blu Ray playback on a SDTV? Not only Blu Ray playback, but still that was a reason for picking it over the (half as expensive) 360?

Now this part confuse me...

I have to say, at first I didn't think movies would be that much better in HD - but after watching Casino Royale on blu-ray, I think it's bloody amazing

But you said you had a SDTV?

 
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7th June, 2007 at 15:08:59 -

I don't have a HD-TV. But I watched Casino Royale at one of my friend's house one time (as I got the casino royale blu-ray disc for free with my PS3)

And yes I did buy it for the blu-ray (not solely the blu-ray obviously) - as I'm hoping to buy a cheap HD-TV for when I go to university in October. Not one of those big ass wide ones, just a small one. There was one at TJ Hughes only going for like £150 or something. And I'll be buying a 360 too, and maybe a Wii (depending on how big my desk is in uni)

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7th June, 2007 at 15:22:33 -

If you're sat back any TV under 20" HD is negligable. I'm running dual high-res screens, downloaded a HD episode of Lost and compared the 2. There really is no difference. Large displays will have a benefit, of course.
Unless you're sat right infront of it...

Sony also dropped the price of their BluRay players recently to under that of a PS3. Just thought it should be said.

 
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7th June, 2007 at 15:29:02 -

I wonder how much a Blu Ray will cost in October...

 
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